Yet another expert "Johnny come lately". The plot thickens, time to pop more corn and open another Heineken. ;^)
So what you're saying is that, following DECEMBER 22nd probably within a few days of that date - the car would have populated as stolen into every police database in the nation, and had Cats or ANYONE run it with the police, it would have come back with a hit as stolen? Wow, this is better than going out tonight....where's the popcorn.
Why popcorn? Both TCK and Roy would be best served taking this off the boards and resolving this before things get worse. There is no glory in dragging everyone involved through the muck except for entertainment for people that have nothing to lose or gain from the matter. If nothing else, let this dispute be a lesson for those buying ANY type of car through an internet dealer. A quick call to the local police department not only revealed information that would have kept everyone out of this mess, but it would have also revealed to the potential buyer (and maybe the dealer if he cared) that the car had been WRECKED TWICE! Do your homework boys and girls, no matter who you're buying the car from. I would never suggest that Mr. Cats would have knowingly sold a stolen car, but some old fashioned due diligence would have kept the buyer clear of this mess, especially now that Mr. Cats has set a precedent where the buyer now has to fend for himself in case of a title problem!
may i ask: if the car was reported and processed as stolen then, how did (Josh) manage to tag, insure, title and drive the car as "his" for 3 months? i will back track a few pages and read, as i do not understand how another state issued a clear title to him if the car was tainted / stolen. also it seems the insurance company would have pinged on this too. Hagerty is very through with all of my exotics, and they are old and not worth near what a Gallardo is. a title typo is one thing. a felony grand theft auto is another.
This is whacked if true. Roy has adamently denied, in post after post, that a stolen vehicle report was EVER filed. Also Roy is supposedly an ex-cop, so if that is true, that doesn't bode very well in his favor. There's no entertainment value here, just popcorn from an interesting standpoint. Most people buy cars and live happily ever after, but to see how screwed up things can get, and how people claim it went down one way when clearly it may have gone down another, is just very interesting. This is terrible for Roy and devastating for the buyer. I did lots of thinking lately about the heat the buyer took for not jumping in and getting a lawyer. Most buyers of high line and exotics are shrewd devisive business people. With the prices falling to $100K and below alot of average buyers who may bought something simpler are stepping up to get into this market. I think this is the case with the buyer. Joe Average Citizen is not all lawyered up nor does he have the mental pre-strategy in place to go do battle in a case of this magnitude, and it is big and complex. Picture everyone if this was your mom that this happened to with her car. Would she be ready to get the fancy bracelets slapped on and stuffed in the squad car, and then be prepared on day 2 to go file counter injuction to keep the car from leaving the state?? Or know where to find a lawyer? etc. etc. Highly doubtful. Also saying that 'anyone who buys these kinds of cars need to [whatever] and should be prepared for [whatever] probably scares alot of potential customers out of this great marketplace and hobby. What EVERY customer of a licensed exotic dealer needs to know is that - They are covered and will be covered by the dealer if something goes horribly wrong, no different than buying any other car. AND they can trust the dealers in this marketplace so they feel good about stepping up with their money to get into this marketplace.
thank you for your reply. sorry for my delay, but reading all the pages that popped up is taking some time!
When I say 'needs to know is that' what I meant is that they need to know it from a personal standpoint. Who knows what the law is going to decide in this or any other state. What I meant was that the dealers need to step up and let the exotic buying public be more aware of this and feel good about this. I am not a currently a practicing attorney or bar certified. I have extensive legal experience though. Could still be a lawyer, but have other things to do I like better.
Maybe a new precedent for exotic dealers to set would be to do the stolen vehicle report and lien/title check NOT JUST WHEN THEY GET THE CAR, but the day of or day before delivery as well. Since based on these dates, you took delivery just days after it was reported stolen, which was probably 15-30 days AFTER the leasing company last heard from the original lessee or he missed his first payment. And perhaps Roy and whomever else checked for stolen vehicle, it was just a couple week prior, missing the report buy just days or weeks.
