The Massa Sucks Thread *OF COURSE THERE ARE SPOILERS*

Yup 2nd gear. Giving a full blown F1 car to a newbie and have him start in 1st would most likely end up in a donut in pitlane. So normally in these rent-a-drive events they block/take out 1st gear and you start in 2nd, revving really high and slowly engaging the clutch. At my 2nd drive I had to put the car in neutral, they started it and then pushed me a few yards and then I let the clutch go into 2nd gear. That was merely to save their clutch; I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have stalled in the pits.

 

If I recall Hammond (off top gear) they had to take of the anti stall to get him going after alot of attempt's, not a easy feat for any good novice , respect to you Andreas

It's say's alot for the current F1 driver's without TC, and it help's to work your way up driving lesser car's before stepping into a missle.

 

Thanks m8. Maybe driving unsynchronized trucks for the Army helped develop my clutch sensitivity.

I remember we did have a bunch of guys stalling the F1 with stick shift (no donuts). And I remember one guy almost killing the tranny with the paddle shift F1 car, which I found very easy to shift with as it was the same as on my F1 game at home.

 

Hey how detuned were those F1 cars you drove? I recall your thread a a while back, and didn't think to ask.

 

The AGS allegedly had 650 PS in the Cossie. The Arrows had at least 100 hp less than it used to.

 

Some how driving a army truck and a F1 car seems poles apart to me, I think you are just gifted...

I do think playing racing games help's though, I play alot on Forza on Xbox but it does give me a headache after a while.

BTW I nearly forgot what this thread's called ...

 

They are poles apart, but they both require some delicacy on the clutch and with changing the gears (at least the pre paddle shifters did). Driving one of these oversize Henschels with no synchronized gear and pulling an equally heavy Oerlikon Buehrle anti aircraft gun (I believe the same used on British destroyers) up a mountain does require some practice on the clutch and gearbox.

Sorry for hijacking the thread, but I'm sure the Massa fans don't mind a breather.
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I remember seeing how much trouble Jeff Gordon had paddling the Williams out of pit lane during the "trading paint" schtick Jeff and JPM had, a while back.

And this was *after* Jeff managed to beat a WRC champ in an older rallye car in the Nation's Cup. So we're not exactly talking "novice" driver, here.
(Of course, it didn't help that the Indy pit lane wasn't fully open, and he had to make a sharp turn exiting the wrong way out onto the F1 layout.)

But after only a few practice laps, Jeff was only a second or so off pace. Not too shabby. But he did have to struggle with getting it going from a stop, most of the session.

Since then (and since Fisi stalled the Renault a couple of times on pit row), I've been aware of the traction difference between asphalt and concrete. (Something of a revelation, after gravel, mud, snow, etc. )

 

I completely agree.

 

I don't care if Massa does something most people on dream of doing, I ONLY care if he is delivering points, wins and championships for Ferrari. I can't hit a curveball either, does that mean I shouldn't complain if the shortstop on my team makes a critical error?!?

The intent of this thread is to centralize the criticism of Massa because others were complaining about the level of Massa-bashing on other threads.

If you have a problem with the thread, then don't participate. We are being respectful of other people's wishes not to have to wade through massa criticism on other threads, how about letting us have this thread to ourselves?

 

Welcome back, brother

 

Your position makes no sense. People from all walks of life throughout history have had the right, and indeed the duty, to bash those in power, or a high position, when they believe they are there undeservedly.

 

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What I can't believe is that there are Massa supporters on this thread complaining...

 

what do u do for a living Andreas? race cars on weekends? i'm jealous

 

I see you've been busy, Tony.... ; )

Just my two cents. Massa is a talented driver, but he has several shortcomings. He tends to lose concentration during a race and is easily rattled, he can make rash moves at times, he's not much of a passer and he's never shown too well in the wet. He's more of a journeyman that has gotten very lucky and improved to an extent but not enough to be considered a top driver. He should thank his lucky to stars to even get a sniff of the Ferrari much less drive it. His skill level is that typical of a test driver. He's a solid understudy however and he can win as long as he starts in front. It would be a miracle if he won a world title without special circumstances. He's a number two driver, anyone that thinks that he can be any sort of threat to Kimi on a regular basis should have their head examined. Ferrari's next driver for '09 however.............

 

What I can't believe is that there are Massa supporters.

 

Nothing special, I'm a regular middle class guy. But: My priorities are set on F1 and particularly any kind of rent-and-drive I can do. Many of my friends have bought real race cars and participate in some amateur racing classes. They spend mega bucks doing that. Compared to their budgets dropping an occasional 3k on a F1 experience is peanuts. Point in case: My buddy's Porsche engine just imploded. Sets him back a bold 23k. That's a LOT of F1 laps.

 

I'm curious to know which of "not much of a passer","easily rattled","loses concentration","makes rash moves" or "never shown too well in the wet" makes Massa a talented(in the context of F1) driver?
I would prefer someone like Kimi who has balls of steel, is a passer and who can drive in the wet or without TC. Plus he like to tip a few, a proper race car driver in my book.

 

Massa is fast as proven by several pole positions and victories from the pole. That requires talent.

Because he has all the listed flaws, he will never get a WDC, but he is good for the occasional victory when seated in a dominating Ferrari. Same story was true for Barrichello and Irvine, although I think they had less flaws and more talent.

 

Alonso is so bent on winning, he'll personally steal Ferrari's F2008 dossier.

 

I took a self imposed break from fchat, I got tired of talking, hearing and reading about the spygate thing last year. Plus I've had trouble with my eyes, i can't look at a computer screen for too long without getting a headache. How've you been, Tony?

 

It takes talent to even make it into F1, much less stay in it for 6 years. Massa is good when he's on his game, which is only from time to time. In Brazil in 06 there was no one in the field that was going to touch him, but those days don't come that often for him. A true test of a real champion is how he performs when he or the car is off. Massa has never shown the ability to adapt and overcome, like Kimi and Alonso have and MS used to (I leave Hamilton out here too, he never has either but it remains to be seen if he can), Peter Sauber's comments seem to support this. He's a bit like Damon Hill was, good when under no real pressure, but Damon wasn't as easily rattled as Massa and was a bit more of a fighter. Felipe tends to give up when it gets tough.