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M.S.R.P. for 2008?

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  1. jjmalez

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    Hello,


    Looking @ new car prices on Kelly Blue Book's website, this is what they have the non F-1 base prices (not including freight, GGT, or dealer prep) listed as;

    599 $302,584 up from last years $264,034

    430 $186,925 up from last years $173,097

    612 $263,519 up from last years $255,519

    can anyone verify if kbb's 2008 prices as accurate?


    thanks
     
  2. donv

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    If you order a 612 now, the base price is into the 300s. Of course, you can no longer get it without F1 or CC brakes.

    I don't know about the others.

    If you ordered a 612 last year, which in US terms would be a "2008" model year, I guess, that base price isn't too far off.

     
  3. jjmalez

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    hello,


    thanks for the reply, but i'm a bit confused by your answer. "if you ordered a 612 last year, which in US terms would be a 2008 model year" does that mean that cars being built today in maranello are MY 2009? i know that the 599 & 430's production run are already spoken for. just trying to get a measure of the ferari pricing range year to year and this [Kelly Blue Book] site was the first one i saw that listed MSRP for year 2008.


    kind regards :)


    joe
     
  4. donv

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    Ferrari doesn't do model years like American car manufacturers. They change their features and price when they feel like it, or more accurately when they can justify it. If it's a significant enough change, they'll add an "M" to the number or something like that.

    In the case of the 612, for instance, the price was more or less as you indicated, up until March production. In March, they added some new features, made F1 and CC brakes "standard" and raised the price. But, to get a March production car, you would probably have to have ordered it in December or January, and you'll actually get the car in May. So what "model year" is that?

    So is a June production car, ordered in March, delivered in September, a 2008 or a 2009? Who knows? Who cares? I'd say it's a 2008, personally, and a November build car, delivered in January and ordered in September, would be a 2009. But that's just me-- most likely the cars and the prices would be the same.
     
  5. jjmalez

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    thanks! :)
     
  6. SSNISTR

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    Yes they do. They may add/remove options whenever, but they, like everyone else of course do model years.
     
  7. donv

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    Then why did they change the price of the 612 in March?

    Explain how that fits into the model year concept.

     
  8. SSNISTR

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    Price changes and options have nothing to do with a model year per say.
     
  9. donv

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    If you can change the price and the car, what else is there?

    What's the point of a "model year" in that case?

    (I realize that there are certain state and federal mandates which require the "model year" concept, but that can be gamed as well-- see VW, which was selling "2006" model year diesel Jettas until almost the end of 2007).

     
  10. 1ual777

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    Bottom line is they are Italians. If you are used to dealing with them you know what I mean. If not, then you will be confused for a long time.
     
  11. SSNISTR

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    Car makers can do what they want as far as option/price changes. They can extend a model year, and make a 1/2 year as well. Bottom line is EVERY car maker has model years.
     
  12. ddemuro

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    Ferrari does not publicize model years, but they are required by law to "do" model years. If you're confused about your model year, or about the model year of any vehicle made after 1980, check the tenth digit of your seventeen-digit VIN number.

    A = 1980
    B = 1981
    C = 1982
    D = 1983
    E = 1984
    F = 1985
    G = 1986
    H = 1987
    J = 1988
    K = 1989
    L = 1990
    M = 1991
    N = 1992
    P = 1993
    R = 1994
    S = 1995
    T = 1996
    V = 1997
    W = 1998
    X = 1999
    Y = 2000
    1 = 2001
    2 = 2002
    3 = 2003
    4 = 2004
    5 = 2005
    6 = 2006
    7 = 2007
    8 = 2008

    We're not quite sure what they're going to do after '9,' but I promise you that model years, no matter how unidentifiable on the dealer's showroom, will always be known through VIN numbers.
     
  13. Sfumato

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    Hehehe...you said Ferrari and justify price increase in same sentence :p
    Year built is year titled. All cars built in 07 got a special VIN plate for 60anni. 12/31/06 complete-no. 1/1/08, no.
    Order date irrelevant, as is delivery date/title date. MSO will read production year. US manuf. have 09's out now (prob with rebates).
    A June 08 car is an 08. My 07 was ordered in June 06, built late March, delivered May as 07. 60 years to day of first retail delivery. That was hard to time ;)
     
  14. donv

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    Yes, and what Sfumato said is exactly right. The fact is, they don't do model years. The US government requires "model years" and since Ferrari doesn't do model years, as Sfumato said, they simply classify it as the year built.

    But for purposes of pricing a certain year Ferrari, as the original poster wanted, the "model year" concept is more or less irrelevant. That's the point I was trying to make.

     
  15. APA#1

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    All I can buy at those prices.....

    What's the point of the prices except for a select few?
     
  16. jjmalez

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    very informative. my thanks to both of you.

    kind regards,

    joe
     
  17. SSNISTR

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    It's like pulling daisies. Model year, year built, whatever. Bottom line is they all have a "model year". They just may have a different way of going about it.
     

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