Vista Hell | FerrariChat

Vista Hell

Discussion in 'Other Off Topic Forum' started by ryalex, Apr 10, 2008.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. ryalex

    ryalex Two Time F1 World Champ
    Consultant Owner

    Aug 6, 2003
    26,014
    Las Vegas, NV
    Full Name:
    Ryan Alexander
    We made the mistake of setting up our firm with Vista computers (after 10 years of being a mac user). The Microsoft stuff is not good, and the third party software is not good.

    1. I can't rename any folders. I've tried three different patches, including MS' suggested fixes digging into the registry editor.2. I was using the Windows Mail (formerly Outlook Express) client, which died one day. MS has no repair and has discontinued the software. I switched to Mozilla Thunderbird, but not after a week without an email client.
    3. Adobe Reader won't print pdfs.
    4. Expensive firm-management software won't work on network, needs patches all the time and hasn't worked on my laptop in months.
    5. The Windows Explorer crashes frequently when trying to open the Network Center (esp when connecting to new ethernet connections).
    6. Won't discover USB devices like mouse or flash drive at times (maybe the hardware).
    7. On a new ethernet network plug-in, it often opens 2 simultaneous connections and neither work. Then have to go through the disable and re-enable the ethernet adapter process to have only one connection that works.
     
  2. Wade

    Wade Three Time F1 World Champ
    Owner

    Mar 31, 2006
    32,793
    East Central, FL
    Full Name:
    Wade O.
    I dislike Vista and usually advise against it for business environments.

    1. Are the folders in use while you're trying to rename them?
    2. Concerning mail, MS only likes to support the "current" version. Do you have Exchange? SBE Server?
    3. Do you have the current printer driver?
    4. Third Party Software + Vista = :( Have you contacted the developer for a solution?
    5. Bandwidth?
    6. Current driver? Or maybe not supported.
    7. On your laptop? Is it a MAC?
     
  3. GrigioGuy

    GrigioGuy Splenda Daddy
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Nov 26, 2001
    33,186
    E ' ' '/ F
    Full Name:
    Snike Fingersmith
    There's a reason Vista isn't making headway in the business environment. I must say that Exchange/Server 03 and XP clients are rock solid, assuming your users stay off the porn sites. Perhaps a "downgrade" would be cost effective?

    Alternatively, your IT consultant is incompetent.
     
  4. WJHMH

    WJHMH Two Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Sep 5, 2001
    26,482
    Panther City, Texas
    Full Name:
    WJHMH
    Geez, that sucks. Sorry to hear the bad news.
     
  5. luke9583

    luke9583 Formula 3

    Nov 8, 2003
    1,322
    Detroit Michigan
    Full Name:
    Luke Wells
    I haven't had one single issue with Vista. I run 64 bit as well. Most people would argue that driver issues would be more significant for 64bit versus 32bit.
     
  6. GrigioGuy

    GrigioGuy Splenda Daddy
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Nov 26, 2001
    33,186
    E ' ' '/ F
    Full Name:
    Snike Fingersmith
    Hmmm, hate to bring this up, but how are you fixed for backups and disaster recovery?
     
  7. Etcetera

    Etcetera Two Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Dec 7, 2003
    24,041
    Full Name:
    C6H14O5
    Yep. Fire your IT Consultant, hire a new one to get everyone back on to XP. Vista is barely ready for prime time desktop use and isn't nearly up to snuff for business use. It's also important to look at the computers you are using; bad/cheap/crappy hardware is only going to amplify software issues.
     
  8. Dubai Vol

    Dubai Vol Formula 3

    Aug 12, 2005
    1,418
    back in Dubai
    Full Name:
    Scot Danner
    Mrs Dubai recently got a new work computer and had it downgraded to XP. The company that did it is snowed under with people wanting their new computers downgraded because Vista is such a mess.

    Bill needs to forget about the rest of his empire and concentrate on making an OS that works, instad of one that makes it asier for him to gain a monopoly on the rest of the world.
     
  9. 285ferrari

    285ferrari Two Time F1 World Champ
    Sponsor

    Sep 11, 2004
    20,962
    MD and NE
    Full Name:
    Robbie
    Vista has it's quirks, but for the most part I like it...
     
  10. DrStranglove

    DrStranglove FChat Assassin
    Owner Rossa Subscribed

    Oct 31, 2003
    31,522
    Google Maps
    Full Name:
    DrS
    I could have, and DID!!!, tell you that!
     
  11. ryalex

    ryalex Two Time F1 World Champ
    Consultant Owner

    Aug 6, 2003
    26,014
    Las Vegas, NV
    Full Name:
    Ryan Alexander
    Well, in his defense we didn't hire an IT guy until after we bought the computers. He tried to get us to downgrade at the time (and another IT guy has tried to sell us that too) but that was $x amount MORE than the cost of the computers as they were with Vista, and we didn't foresee the scope of the problems. Heck we were frustrated enough as it is paying $600-700 per computer and then having the IT guy "optimize it" (read: delete the demo software) and that cost another $200-400 per computer. When all was said and done the labor almost equalled the hardware we bought and we were mentally and financially unprepared for that.

    I guess I was just caught off guard with the notion that we could go and pay for these shiny new computers off the shelf and they just didn't work (maybe it's ironic I'm interested in Ferraris then). I haven't had such issues since my family's 286AT computer.

    As for backups, I suppose that is a good idea. ;)

    Ugh, people might also think it's funny for lawyers to complain about cost overruns, but that's the issue with expansion and getting all the flash gear and offsite backups and nuclear weapon shielding for the server (and a decent server for that matter), is that our IT guy does propose that and it's $$$. In fact I had a surprise visit from another IT guy - partner scheduled me for the sales appt - and he quotes us $$$$$, and I can't argue it's a good price for the package, but it's out of reach right now. To be honest, being a lawyer is just like driving a Ferrari up to a service business, you get the 'Ferrari market adjustment' on the quotes.
     
  12. ryalex

    ryalex Two Time F1 World Champ
    Consultant Owner

    Aug 6, 2003
    26,014
    Las Vegas, NV
    Full Name:
    Ryan Alexander
    As an interface it's fine, but when so many things just don't work it gets old.
     
  13. GrigioGuy

    GrigioGuy Splenda Daddy
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Nov 26, 2001
    33,186
    E ' ' '/ F
    Full Name:
    Snike Fingersmith
    Just a tip -- if you buy a brand-name business class PC, it doesn't come with all the demo crap. CDW is a great place for that kind of stuff, and you can get some great closeout deals.

    On backups, at a minimum get a dvd burner and have your receptionist burn the important files to a new dvd at least once a week. Take the dvd home or put it in a safe deposit box.
     
  14. luke9583

    luke9583 Formula 3

    Nov 8, 2003
    1,322
    Detroit Michigan
    Full Name:
    Luke Wells
  15. Etcetera

    Etcetera Two Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Dec 7, 2003
    24,041
    Full Name:
    C6H14O5
    Yep. The cost of getting the software to work can easily outstrip the cost of the hardware. If you've got a good IT guy, listen to him. Not doing so is the same as hiring a lawyer and not listening to his advice...there's no point to that. :)
     
  16. Westworld

    Westworld Three Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    May 18, 2004
    32,266
    Were you guys unhappy with the Mac system?
     
  17. DrStranglove

    DrStranglove FChat Assassin
    Owner Rossa Subscribed

    Oct 31, 2003
    31,522
    Google Maps
    Full Name:
    DrS
    Seriously! Who sold you on this was a good idea in the first place?
     
  18. Mrpbody44

    Mrpbody44 F1 Veteran

    Jul 5, 2007
    7,899
    St Augustine Florida
    Full Name:
    Steve Metz
    I run most of my busineses on Mac's There is one software pac that we use that will not work on a Mac so we have a system with XP to run it. This system is getting old so I bought a top of the line HP machine with Vista on it. Basicaly I spent $2,500 for a high end computer to watch porn on. It frequently crashes and has been a nightmare trying to run the proprietary software which is still running on the old machine with XP. Even the sound card does not work properly on the new machine.

    Vista is the worst product I have seen in 25 years in the computing business.
     
  19. Wade

    Wade Three Time F1 World Champ
    Owner

    Mar 31, 2006
    32,793
    East Central, FL
    Full Name:
    Wade O.
    Unfortunately this happens all too often (purchasing HW/SW prior to consulting with IT).

    For an off-site data back-up solution that's protected, secure, load-balanced, etc take a look at EVault. Simple, easy and not too expensive. Highly rated and awarded.

    http://www.evault.com/
     
  20. DMC

    DMC Formula 3

    Nov 15, 2002
    2,385
    WI/IL
    Full Name:
    Dean
    Exactly right. Dell business class are good too, they have no "extras" installed (except for a couple of Dell hardare utilities), so you don't have to go through all that. Usually I'll just order them with Vista Business, install Office 2007 (if needed) and go forward. I see very few Vista issues, IMO most of them are caused by driver issues or all the conusmer crap that's pre-loaded on consumer-class PC's.

    Also, I don't know why a small firm would want any server equipment on-site, unless specifically required for an application. Bandwith is so cheap these days that it's much more cost-effective to outsource all of that.
     
  21. 412monzaindy

    412monzaindy Formula Junior

    Mar 8, 2005
    877
    Ontario Canada
    Full Name:
    PBI
    I just bought Dell Optiplex systems for my office and a couple of laptops with Vista Office Ultimate. Works very good, but there are a couple of issues with some harware and software compatibility on HP and Adobe ( older versions)

    But for the most part, it seems to work pretty well.

    I also kept a few computers and laptops on XP, just to be safe.
     
  22. Tobias

    Tobias Formula 3

    May 22, 2004
    1,683
    NY
    XP man. XP.
     
  23. OC Speed Junkie

    OC Speed Junkie Formula 3

    Aug 6, 2005
    2,473
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    Joseph
    I just got got a new backup laptop. Came with Vista. Used it for about a week before it just drove me off the wall. UPGRADED to XP. I thought ME was bad.
     
  24. HUTCH91TR

    HUTCH91TR F1 Rookie

    Nov 7, 2003
    2,894
    Charlotte, NC
    Full Name:
    Hutch

    +1. I had XP on my computer, but I made the mistake of going to Vista. Gonna switch back to XP when I get the chance to. F**K Vista :mad: !!!
     
  25. Etcetera

    Etcetera Two Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Dec 7, 2003
    24,041
    Full Name:
    C6H14O5
    Erm, what? Centralized admin and maintenance that I could teach a receptionist to do? And WTF does bandwidth have to do with any issues the OP brought up? Just STFU and go away.

    Jesus Christ on Ten Crosses, people. The OP is talking about a deployed OS in a professional environment that isn't working; he's not looking for trite anecdotes about some dipthwang using Vista or OS/X in a home environment.

    Beyond that, Jesus Christ on a single cross. I wonder WTF a business owner/partner/etc is doing posting on a car board when he is clearly running around in circles and pissing his pants because his IT solution is right out of the back pages of Computer Shopper circa 1995, yet he is doing business in the 21st century and doesn't understand the value of backing up the data that his business depends upon.

    Dude, listen to your IT guy or sink.
     

Share This Page