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Typical fuel filler door problems

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  1. Elliott

    Elliott Karting

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    I had some time this beautiful weekend and decided to tackle some issues with my 348. Needless to say I ended up with my arm stuck all the way down the fender/C-pillar and with my whole body stretched in all sorts of awkward positions for my neighbors to enjoy.
    Progress was swift! I quickly pulled the quite unique magnetic fuel door lock from the cable. With this done I was able to pull the wiring further out and give it a better inspection. At this point I should explain that I have not been using the emergency release to open the door; The whole unit was completely seized in the open position! I am not sure if I'm alone here but the unit looked like hell.
    So I take a look at the wiring and it turns out I had a mini electrical fire at the poorly designed connection a few inches from the fuel door. The housing was melted but the connections were fine, I proceed to pry open the plug. After freeing the unit, I douse it in electrical cleaner; still stuck... So I unleash my slightly stupid side and hammer it open! Rinse and repeat a few times and what do you know it now can move, sorta. The next step was to twist the lock pin around and around, then a hefty load of lock graphite and dielectric grease. In the end it worked like new!! I shined it up with some sanding it really was like new.
    So I took my refreshed unit and some wiring over to the battery to see if it functions after a few repeated tests, I was very pleased!
    I cleaned the connections throughly and placed it back in the housing.
    Then I spent the next HOUR or so lining up the fuel door, those of you who have done this I am sure know what I mean!
    After all of that I got in the car and nothing, nothing at all happened when I pressed the fuel release button.
    So my question is what is next is there a trouble spot I should look for in the wiring? Should I jump off a cliff? Could still be that stupid connection aft the lock, should I just replace that--It really did not look too bad I was sure it would pass current (if there was any)
    Well at a loss and confused I need your expertise.
     
  2. Elliott

    Elliott Karting

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    Where are all the experts?
    Doesn't anyone have experience with this problem, I made time to work on the 348 tomorrow and need any suggestions.
     
  3. RebelBanker

    RebelBanker Karting

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  4. Miltonian

    Miltonian F1 Veteran

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    Hi, Elliott. Can we assume that you are aware of fuse #21 (7.5 amp) and relay #P in the step pad fuse panel? That would seem like the place to start.
     
  5. fxdwgs

    fxdwgs Formula 3

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    Got another task for the tech board of experts.

    My fuel filler door opens ok. However every time when I have to close it again I have to open the engine compartment and push the little cable / wire or else the door wont be locked. What is missing? Is this cable with its tiny handle spring loaded or what, or rather should be springloaded???
    If you do not get what I am talking about I can take a photo and show you.

    //B//
     
  6. Elliott

    Elliott Karting

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    Thanks for the replies:
    RebelBanker: Good idea. I did check it but will go back and give it a cleaning and some dielectric grease!

    Miltonian: I was not aware! I will go give it a look right away, you are probably right as the other connections seemed alright.

    Fxdwgs: It is an electro magnetic system, that reverses the charge to open/close. Take your unit out and clean it as I described , it is just sticking in the open (collapsed) position. The magnetic force which pulls it back out (locked position), is not as strong (very weak) as the one which opens it; therefore any dust, dirt, etc will cause it to stick.
     
  7. Elliott

    Elliott Karting

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    PS: RebelBanker, your interior is super clean! I think we might have a serious 348 online car show contender here.
     
  8. No Doubt

    No Doubt Seven Time F1 World Champ

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    Don't put dielectric grease on the metal connecting-side of electronic junctions. Use electrical contact cleaner and/or enhancer, instead.
     
  9. RebelBanker

    RebelBanker Karting

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    Do you ever leave doubt?!?
     
  10. No Doubt

    No Doubt Seven Time F1 World Champ

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    Never!
     
  11. Elliott

    Elliott Karting

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    Noted, but out of curiosity why not? From my experience it enhances connections and prevents rust, or at least thats what I have thought....
     
  12. No Doubt

    No Doubt Seven Time F1 World Champ

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    Dielectric means "doesn't conduct electricity."

    You can put dielectric grease on the **outside** of an existing electrical connection such as on your car battery/cable junction (e.g. to keep out moisture), but if you place dielectric grease in between two metal plates/wires, the overall connection will have more resistance.

    So it's fine for the outside of connections, not fine for being in between contacts.
     
  13. Elliott

    Elliott Karting

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    Miltonian, as usual you were right on the money!
    It was the fuse I am proud to say I got it to function.
    Thanks for all the advice!
     
  14. fxdwgs

    fxdwgs Formula 3

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    Thanks.........will do.......

    //B//
     

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