Maserati Bora - Picture Thread

Some of the comments that I remember over the years indicated that the engine was detuned to a more street version and that Guikas put the engine back to it's racing form when he did his most recent restoration for participation in the Shell Historics?
Or was that on # 3001?

Confused again ...

Now the comment about the LHM system being removed is interesting. I believe it was Marc who told me that #3001 had the
LHM system intact when he did his article for SCI.

Were these originally intended to be raced with this system intact?

I can't imagine someone going through the effort to remove the system and then putting it back on again.
So that would lead me to believe that at least #3001 was intended to race with this system in use.
According to your remarks here Walter the same was true for #3000.

There, that should stir things up a bit.

Bob S.

Bob S.

 

Bob,
I sold the former owner of #3000 a new motor in 2000. The original engine was slightly damaged and so the owner took up the opportunity to purchase a spare engine.The non-matching-no.-motor has now 454 hp (I have a copy of the dyno-report!). The original motor is still with the car in the current owners garage (see photo).

when I drove the car the green-stuff-components had been removed...until today. When I was in contact with the late Paul Frère some years ago for a feature about #3000 he clearly rememberd as being test driven by him WITHOUT the "GaGa"-brake.

Ciao!
Walter
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Walter,

I understand the part about selling the owner of #3000 an additional motor in 2000.
So you are saying this additional motor is the one that's currently being used for vintage events correct?

I am not mistaken about previous comments that the original motor was detuned but that the high performance parts were
saved and then reused. However I think this was while Guikas owned the car? Whether or not that is a correct fact is another matter. I do remember the comments.

Your statements about the LHM system and when it was removed or never present are hard to follow. They make no sense.
If the system was not on the car when Paul Frère drove it then how was it removed before it was sold to the "sheiks"?

Something is very unclear here.

Bob S.

 

Bob,

as always I am happy to answer ALL your questions to get you 100% knowledge about that car:

1....yes, its used in historic events since at least 6 years!

2....no, it was when the car was with the former owner to whom Guikas sold the car ...and later bought it back 3 years ago due to divorcement troubles.

3....it seems that either the LHM-system came in the car first and was later (when Frére drove it) removed or it didn`t came in it from the beginning (I would wonder this as driving in LM with this stupid system is complertley nuts!). It seems that this French stuff came in later and was removed again.

Ciao!
Walter

 

This car is now repainted back in its original silver livery. Just got the news!

Ciao!
Walter

 

Walter,
What type of motor did you sell him? Since these cars ran a dry sump motor as opposed to the wet sump used in the street Bora. I assume from a Ghibli or Khamsin? It would be interesting to put one of the Marine motors in it, then see how it would do against the BB LMs.

Joe

 

Joe, it was a block coming from a Ghibli.
The BBLM are faster as they have better aerodynamics. But the Bora Gr.IV outperformes the Daytona Comp. clearly and easily in turns.

Ciao!
Walter

 

Better aerodynamics? The orginal Bora was pretty slippery but with horrifc downforce effects. Quite the opposite. Hey let's get real about the BBLMs being faster. Maybe so now and even back then but how many of those are anywhere near stock these days? An awfull lot of BBLM owners have tweaked the livin' s**t out of these cars. No original BBLMs came with any carbon fibre pieces.

Apples to apples my friend.

 

Right ;>)

This is yet another gobbledegook explanation. How about we just don't know for certain. Since 3001 had the system on when Marc did the article and #3000 had it on/off/on who knows how may times then maybe an attempt WAS made to use it in racing?

It's not like it really raced at the time.

I agree though that I would think they would not want to use it just based upon the weight alone.

Unless someone directly involved can answer the question it's just speculation.

Bob S.

 

Bob,
if you don`t like my explanation...OK, I leave it then in future!!

And now, PLEASE get it: The car will be raced, is in race-ready condition, is eligable to race, it can NOT be raced in the green stuff you seem to like so much!

Ciao!
Walter

 

Forget your or everybody elses standart Bora when you talk about the Gr.IV-version!!

Ciao!
Walter

 

Just a guess but it's probably more of brick so that would indeed affect the top end.

 

Guys just out of curiosity what's a Maserati Bora worth these days?

Thanks!

 

Depends were you are.

Ciao!
Walter

 

Well, give me an idea...

US vs. Europe, etc.

This particular car is in Florida, USA

 

1. What's the condition?
2. Model year
3. European or USA version. If USA have the bumpers been converted to european style?
4. Color

From what I've seen cars in the USA are generally the cheapest available.

Bob S.

 

Last weekend a nice 4.7-example was auctioned for 80,500 Euros by BONHAMS in Monaco.

US-cars are much cheaper here in EU - when they show up.

Ciao!
Walter

 

factory shots from rob box here.. bottom geneva 72... LOOK at that girl... How times have changed....
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Yes, nice period shots!

 

It is my understanding that the GrIV Bora ran against several Daytona's in some historic race. None of the Daytona's could touch it. Would have been a great shot for Maserati to get back into racing in the '70s, but I have now decided that Maserati is all but a cursed racing team.....

 

Did Rive Box wrote down the VIN`s on those photos what he normally did?

Ciao!
Walter

 

In the US, a decent driver Bora in good general condition will bring $45-$50k ish. These cars as well as several other Italian cars are currently substantially less in the US which I am sure will change soon.

 

Find a comparable Ferrari Boxer and the Bora is worth abut 1/3 the price.

 

Interesting...

So a Boxer is $150K and a Bora is $50K in the US? What prevents Americans from selling the Boras in Europe where they are ~80K euros (as a poster mentioned earlier)?

Thanks!

 

No he did not, at least on those original photos I have seen: it just said the model type and the year.