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450S...the Tower of Power in the 50ies!

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  1. wbaeumer

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    #1 wbaeumer, Apr 18, 2008
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  2. UroTrash

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    Spectacular car and photos.
     
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    Yeah except all that dumb red lettering they'd be perfect. ;>))
     
  5. WILLIAM H

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    NICE !!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  6. EMILIO

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    how much for it, Walter?
     
  7. Serenissma

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  8. italiancars

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    Have pictures of the car in its final version when it became 4512, will post them along with shots of 4508 &4503.
     
  9. wbaeumer

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    I knew that you have to criticise something. But if you pay me if someone uses my photos without my permission - then I post themagain without the copyright note!But please note: I am expensive, ...very expensive. OK?

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  10. wbaeumer

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    Thanks Emilio! How much? Tons of money, diamonds & perls! But no slappy $$$`s!!

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  11. wbaeumer

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    #12 wbaeumer, Apr 18, 2008
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    ...in the factory backyard in 1956!

    The car was propably the best looking car from the series! Unfortunately the car was not very good restored (the body) in Italy in the early 90ies and is today only a shadow of its very elegant but brutish appearance it once had.

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  12. Serenissma

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    Who is the man on the photo?
     
  13. Serenissma

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    Please do! 450s and 5000gt i love this to cars.
     
  14. staatsof

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    Yes I've heard that. You just can't take a little teasing. Come on Walter, the pictures are great. But then you knew that.
     
  15. wbaeumer

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    Its Manfredini. He was in the factory until his death in 2002. I very charming man who saw them all in the golden years!

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  16. GIOTTO

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    #17 GIOTTO, Apr 19, 2008
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    #4506 in the 80's. The car was owned by collector Peter Kaus, and is seen here in the Nürburgring racetrack museum. The white Porsche behind is the famous experimental 16 cylinder CanAm 917.
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  17. wbaeumer

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    Giotto, yep, a fantastic car! Now in Germany with Thomas Bscher since the mid-90ies. Ex- Edgar! Possibly the car Moss used in the MM 57 when his pedal broke. It was possibly later renumbered to get Edgar his already ordered 450S. They sold him the car as "new"!

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  19. wbaeumer

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    Giottom, no - different car! This is a replica with an original engine. Also the front hubs are genuine and some minor other parts. The owner tried to sell the car for some years - without success. It was inspected by various mechanics who have lots of experiance with Maserati racers from the 50ies ... and all found the car as not genuine. But - its a technically correct 450S replica. It seems that the car was for sale in an auction recently and was sold (?) for cheap money in comparision to a real 450S (which is about 5.5 - 6.0 million $$`s today!).

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  20. wbaeumer

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    As much as #4512 is an original 450S - its true importance it had because of its race history in Le Mans - even when this entry was not successfull. Here we see the car on the indoor Factory scapyard prior before it was converted to LHD and road-usage (in the backround is one of the four famous A6GCS-Pininfarina-Coupes!!)!

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    Here is the Zagato in the Rosso-Bianco collection. Unfortunatelly that beautifull Museum no longer exist.
    I hope that in the future, somebody (with much money, I know) will restore this Maserati back to it's Le Mans configuration.
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  22. italiancars

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    The car was a No Sale at 1.2 US. Which is far less than the current market for a 450S, but also far more than the market for a replica 450S. It appears the market has determined that the car is the remains of # 4505, but with not enough of it to be considered unquestioned.


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  23. Serenissma

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    The only man i rememberd from my visit to Maserati factory in 1979 is Ermano Cozza. He was very friendly and took us for a tour round the factory.The only problem was he spoke italien and i didnt.I was then only 17 years old but that didnt bower Cozza. Maybe he saw a future Maserati buyer in me.

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  24. wbaeumer

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    Joe, the chassis of this car is NOT original! I have a statement from an US-mechanic who inspected it prior to this sale and another comment from a mechanic who restored no less than 7 such Maseratis from the 50ies (200S, 300S, 250F, 450S, Birdcage) and who inspected it in 2003 - both clearly said that the chassis and major (!) other components are not original!

    I alsi had on the Techno Classica a very nice conversation with Griswold about this car (and other of the numerous Maseratis he had under his hands over three decades!). He also told me "...non tutto originali!"

    Ciao!
    Walter
     

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