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Need some feedback on exhaust temps....

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  1. TheOnlyest

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    So I got myself one of those nifty infrared thermometers, my fear of fire motivated me to get this for "preventative monitoring".
    What I found was kindof weird, I would appreciate any thoughts on this.

    Car idling at normal operating temp... both coolant & oil temp at 185-190 degrees. readings are average, the temp reading was vigorously bouncing around while I was holding the laser probe steady.

    left header - 160 deg ......... right header - 303 deg
    left cat - 427 deg ............. right cat - 366 deg
    top muffler can - 340 deg
    left exhaust tip 330 deg ...... right exhaust tip - 366 deg

    obviously the header and cat readings are taken from the heat shields, but these readings seem oddly inconsistent to me.
    And the left header to left cat temp difference is really bizarre! The only thing I can guess is, maybe because the left radiator fan was running?
     
  2. UConn Husky

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    Steve, I assume those are in deg. C?? Sounds low...I posted IR temps here in a thread or two, seem to recall OEM headers with heat shields being more like 550F +. If I ever get my car back on the road I'll be studying differences between OEM and my coated Fabspeed headers...

    Wait a minute, how are your exhaust tip temps so much higher than headers?? That seems a bit strange, even with the heat shields.
     
  3. TheOnlyest

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    #3 TheOnlyest, Apr 24, 2008
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    Jay, this is america bro... degrees F ;)

    Yea, strange indeed... thats why I need some input, I dont get it either. I did this twice, 3 days apart, same bizarre readings both times!
    Even more weird, the 1st time I tested (3 days ago) the left cat was almost 200 degrees hotter than the right!

    I'm not as suspicious of the cats as I am a possible fuel mixture or ignition problem? check out this smog test results from 7 months and 1000 miles ago.. not bad for a 17 year old HIGH mileage Ferrari huh??
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  4. cuneo

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    My infrared thermometer reads about 550-600 on the oem header shields as well, like UConn Huskie's, maybe you have a bad IR gun? Those disparities seem way out of whack. Considering the price of these things, they're probably assembled by 6-year olds in a third world country.

    Oh yeah, $25 for a smog test? You have it sweet in NV, we pay about $80 here in Cali, AND we don't get to have assault rifles... lame

    good luck with the 355!
     
  5. UConn Husky

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    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=159377&highlight=exhaust+temps

    Here's the temps I recorded, posted in a previous thread that went nowhere...I think this is interesting stuff, post up more temps! Especially you Fabspeed header guys, with or without coating.

    Edit: Here's the post to save you guys a click:

    I've been casually taking some temp readings on my car. Of course the best I can do with a handheld IR gun is to stop, pop the engine cover, then take some readings. Here's some 'average' temps I've seen:

    Heat shield covering OEM exhaust manifold: 650F
    Exhaust tips: 240F
    Heat shield covering Tubi: 160F
    Oil filter: 215F

    Also should note I have the challenge grille which may cool things off a little. The right way to do it is in real time with thermocouples and a laptop, but that's getting a bit more complicated. I would expect aftermarket headers would read much hotter just because they're not covered by a heat shield (as I understand it). So a good measure may be exhaust tip temps - the cooler those are means more heat escaped in the engine bay. I think the real goal is to get as much exhaust heat out through the tailpipes as possible (within limits of course, I don't know if too much insulation could overheat the cats?)
     
  6. TheOnlyest

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    I think my avatar speaks for itself, but maybe I should point out... I have a '91 348ts, 100% stock exhaust. I would LOVE to have a Tubi, but I wont pay 4 grand for a $500 muffler. However, if anyone has a good clean single can for a 348, I may be interested!
     
  7. davehelms

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    Did the test station realize they were supposed to have the car running??

    The Infrared units have a hard time taking a reading on any surface with a "shine". Try on a rusty seam of the converter up close.

    Dave
     
  8. TheOnlyest

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    Huh? look at the RPM readings in the last column to the right.
     
  9. 285ferrari

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    Rust? I guess I'm not getting good readings, no rust on any of my exhaust..:D
     
  10. TheOnlyest

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    Mine either... but I guess theres no avoiding that thin surface rust on the flanges of a 17 year old exhaust system. Dave is right though, those thermometers dont work accurately on reflective surfaces. My stock exhaust has no rust, but it sure aint shiny either!
     
  11. UConn Husky

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    Unless you have a fancy one that can change emissivity ;)
     
  12. davehelms

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    Just poking fun at the readings. What is coming out the tailpipe is cleaner than the ambiant air in the testing facility, that I assure you.

    Dave
     
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    Rust was a poor choice of words. Oxidized perhaps? The Infrared pyrometers will not, as mentioned above, give accurate feedback when used on reflective surfaces.

    With all of the stainless used on the Ferrari exhaust systems a touch type pyrometer is required. I tried to get a reading on a set of F40 Hyperflow test pipes and it was impossible with my infrared unit.

    The clearance of the header tubes to the heat shield and the amount of fiberglass insulation at any given area is very inconsistent. Testing each tube just before the heatshield with a touch type pyrometer will give some meaningful readings and help with the diagnostics. Pre-cat HC and CO readings will fill in any missing data.

    From what I see I wouldnt be too concerned. Your readings on the Cats doesnt look too far off the mark considering the testing method.

    Dave
     
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    BWAAAAA Ha ha!
     
  15. TheOnlyest

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    I was blown away too... it passes cleaner than my '02 Miata! The tester even used the dual probes... maybe that is what made it test so clean, usually they dont use dual probes unless the car has dual exhaust.
     
  16. davehelms

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    Nope, everything gets mixed up in the muffler either way. The readings are simply a result of a properly running engine in a good state of tune. Damn fine package these are!

    Dave
     
  17. FandLcars

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    Been a long time since I took Heat Transfer (going on 4 decades). So I don't remember a lot about how sensitive emissivity can be. But I'm wondering if it may be easy to just wrap headers in the dull side of some aluminum foil to help with emissivity. Or perhaps use a strip of painted or lightly blasted 22 gauge rolled and clamped tightly to the pipes. May not be worth the effort in many cases, but maybe something like that would avoid having to purchase a contact pyrometer.
     

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