No, I'm pretty sure Detroit could find a way to make it cost more. :)
Thanks, Mick for directing me to the above summanry; Josh, I can sympathize with your side of the story and in my opinion, Equisite Leasing needs to eat the loss and both Roy Cats and you are the victim. Whenever I purchase a new car, I do expect a dealer or the manufacturer to correct the flaws associated with the car. You bought a "used" car that was trading substantially below market value. By instinct, I tend to favor to be on your side versus Roy and Kevin`s since I am not a dealer and have prior experience of getting misled by many auto brokers and dealers. In this particular case, Cats Exotics did go beyond the call fo duty by reimbursing you for certain flaws associated with the Gallardo in question. I strongly believe , although I do not have all the facts, that you came out ahead in this deal and Roy ended up with the wrong end of the stick. Again, in my opinion, I think if you are suing Roy and Cats Exotics, you are stabbing yourself in the back and this case will go nowhere. I advise that you kiss and make up with Roy and apologize and see if you can seek his help in resloving this matter. Put your emotions and anger aside, and regroup and be objective in this case. All three parties, Equisity Leasing, Cats Exotics, and Poor Dumb Naive Josh are circle jerking here. But if you have Cats Exotics as an ally, you will have one legal team and two parties ganging up on one ( Equsite Leasing). In the event you end up losing your deal, I am sure Roy will have a kind heart and work something out with another vehicle so your loss will be minimized. The way I am reading this case, this will not get resolved in the next 60 days. If you end up wining, Equisite Leasing and Cats Exotics will have nothing to do with you in clearing up your credit or getting you a car wholesale or arranging a trade. Who would want to help out someone that has attacked them? NOT ME, FOR SURE. Call Roy, Start kissing his ass, he is older and wiser and is the most qualified to get this matter resolved to your best interest. Gustan
In what state? If you tried to register a car out of state to avoid paying taxes, that's called fraud, Josh. And it pisses me off when dirtbags do that crap. People in Colorado do it, too. No matter if it's a Gallardo or a Ford, it still chaps my ass. EDIT: And your change of attitude is pretty funny as well. Your lawyer is coaching you up on that one, eh?
***UPDATE*** May 6TH, 2008 A claim was made with our insurance carrier, who in turn denied the claim after review with their lawyers and the Washington State Dealer Officer. The conclusion was that all correct steps were taken and there was no error or omission on Cats side. There was found to be no "recorded lien" at anytime on the vehicle sale till the Leasing Company, no defunct, applied for a writ with the Las Vegas Court and claimed such on March 21, 2008. Josh has filed action against CATS with a local attorney in Seattle. I have no issue with that. We are working on that from both sides. I at my OWN exspense have retianed legal service in Las Vegas, Nevada. We hope to be in front of the court and the Judge that issued the writ next week. We are attempting to have the writ over turned due to false statements made by parties of the leasing company and their Private Investigator "uner oath" to have the Judge issue the writ. We have strong un-refuted documentation to their out and out incorrect misleading and inflamatory statements to the Judge. The writ DID have a 60 day hold on the "title" and car for the purpose of other parties coming forth. That 60 days is up May 21..so we are on a time crunch here. I think we have a VERY VERY strong chance of having the writ overturned, the case re-classafied as a "Civil issue" between the Lease Co and their customer that they leased the car to..which we hope leads the Judge to the only remady in this case, to return the car to its "lawfull" and "current title holding" owner. I am working hard as I can to get this cleared up as quickly as possible at my exspense. Thanks Roy Cats
It does matter and I'll tell you why. State and local governments need tax dollars to pay for things you use every day. Roads, fire departments, police, etc. When you skip out on those taxes, it raises the cost on the rest of us to cover for you because you're still using the services, you're just not paying for them. So now the rest of us, the honest ones, get to pay more because of the dishonest dirtbags like you. Go ahead and rationalize it all you like, but what you tried to do was dishonest, Josh. And it bit you in the ass, didn't it?
Every state and local government needs $ to operate. But they don't all collect the $ in the same way. Some have personal income taxes. Some use high property taxes. Others sales taxes. Some car registration fees. But at the end of the day, they all collect what they need.
Very tru, for instance, My State has NO income tax, but 9% sales tax and 9.3% on vehicle sales tax...Oregon HAS income tax BUT no sales tax on anything..
Yep, Oregon is a favorite around here for people doing what Josh tried to do. They register the car there to avoid paying sales tax and registration fees. If I was a cop around here, instead of writing speeding tickets, I'd pull over every car with Oregon plates I saw. The ticket when you get caught is approx. $1,000 and you have to not only pay the ticket, but register your car in CO. But they never give out those tickets. They let people off with warnings instead, which perpetuates the problem.
So answer the question... post the lawyer's name who screwed up. I'm a jerk for exposing your lies? I certainly don't feel sorry for you any longer. Seems like you got what was coming to you, based on your entire attitude, decison making, and lies. Oh well... I'll sleep well tonight. Might even have a chuckle or 2 before I drift off...
Good point. Then may be the only way to "level" the field is some federal guidelines for all states so these issues dont come up. But I am sure states will be up in harms if they are not 100% free to set their own collection as they want. So what we have in some "smart" states is: cater to your resident and attract money from other residents. If a state has an issue with too high vehicle taxes from its neighborg, may be that state should realign its money collection based on the realities. At the end, I fault the state not the people try to find legal loophole. enforcement never really leads nowhere either other than more bureaucracies and boots on the ground. The only good way is lower taxes on vehicles and raise them somewhere where it is harder to escape and the problem is automatically taken care off at no additional costs. but again we are talking abouot politician making decisions here...
While I agree the state and local governments need to do more to make sure their residents pay what they owe (via fines, tickets, whatever), I absolutely disagree that it is the fault of the state and not the individual. This country has a serious problem with personal responsibility. Nothing is anyone's fault anymore. Hell, I'm sure Josh thinks of himself as a victim when in reality, he caused his own problems. Had he registered his car as required by law, this whole thread would not exist. But he wanted to skate on paying the taxes and registration fees, so he now is paying for a car he cannot drive.
You are right about taxes. The problem sometimes comes in in fairness. You bust your hump to make a successful living and half of what you earn goes to the pool for everyone to use. You are subsidizing these 300 dollar tax refunds people are getting, so why not exploit a loophole once in a while? If you take a random sampling of people, of 100 5 are paying the same as 95.
I'm subsidizing a lot of others as well. But that doesn't make skating on other taxes right. I have no problem utilizing all of my legal tax deductions. But that's where it should stop. JMO, YMMV and all that.
I am sure Josh has learned his lesson and if he pulls another stunt like he did, then I would write him off and consider him a certified jackass. Everyone does make mistakes and I am sure Josh is regreting every minute of his waking life that he could do things differently. I rely on professionals, whether is auto dealers, leasing companies, or accountants, as to paying taxes and fees associated with a purchase on an automobile. Example; I recently sold a vehicle that I have only owned for less than five months. I paid $40,000 sales taxes and now cannot recover a single penny on a trade in because the person I sold it to registered it before I could purchase another vehicle and apply the tax credit to the trade in. Now I am stuck with paying the taxes on the new car and eating the $40K. The above scenario happens all the time for me. I have friends who advise me to get a dealers license so I can avoid taxes. I can easily do that but for me it is an integrity issue and rather not do that because I am NOT a dealer and never will be. I get a customer like Josh (I will end up pulling the trigger on my gun and end up in JAIL (Just kidding Josh). There are tax loop holes in everything in the auto market. I, like you, do not condone people evading sales taxes but do not have a problem if Josh does have a legal residence in Montana, or Oregon and can save some money by being creative like that. On the flipside, I think I am overpaying taxes and I know I can save millions by being more creative (LEGALLY). I rather pay my share as long as others do and do not want any favoritism. I really hate when a dealer says that they are not making any money on a car that they are selling me. I tell them that I am not a charity case and do not want to owe anyone anything. I do not want to do the transaction. I tell them to make at least $5K on the transaction and lets call it a day. Josh, if you play now, you will pay letter. I am sure you have learned your lesson. That is what life is about. People make mistakes and learn from them and do not make the same mistakes again. If you are a perfect individual, I guess its time for Death, since you have mastered life. Just my thoughts, take it for what is worth. Gus
Wow - what a good story- I was missing. It is indeed a good business/law case for Harvard U. students as well as for any exotic-car owner/buyer. This is something hardly to aviod if title had been checked cleared and the deal was through proper procedures .. just be extremely careful when purchasing an exotic car or even any type of car ... there must be reasons for being so cheap. Good luck - spider360.
Hammer meet nail. Everyone sues everyone, a crime wasn't committed because they're scum it was a movie/video game/music lyrics fault. It's a bunch of crap. Unfortunately I don't think he has learned his lesson. His own comments, especially about choosing to register the car in another state and say it's his business to do so and it doesn't/shouldn't matter to anyone else point to no.
What is your honest to God response, Josh? What did you learn about this whole ordeal? Please put your ego aside and none of feel sorry for me attitude, but what did you learn, what would you do different, and what is you current thoughts? Gus
I think he should answer that after everything is said and done. Once a verdict is reached he will have had to learn something. IMO, everyday this ordeal continues is another day of learning for him. Since it's been public, it's a learning experience for us all in a number of ways too.
Well said. I feel much the same. And if Josh had a legal residence in Montana (and not just a shell LLC headquartered in his lawyer's office), I wouldn't have a problem with him registering cars there. Integrity and ethics are what you do when nobody's watching. I can see you understand that. Does Josh? I have my doubts.
It's an open and shut case if the Kid has successfully registered his paper title with a state such that he has been issued an electronic title. Have the leasing company reps arrested.
That is a smart smart move. Judges go ballistic when they find out they were lied to under oath, especially if by the lying someone was deprived of their liberty and due process, such as your car getting snatched from you that you rightfully owned. Chances you win are probably better than 60/40.
