Monaco GP ***SPOILERS***

Well Vettel definitely knows how he feels. But then again redemption only came one race later for Vettel so we'll see

 

I'm always amazed at how many "fair weather" tifosi there are floating around. Massa in particular is regularly roasted by them and Kimi fairly often as well. I doubt any other drivers could have performed better in the driver's seat of the two Ferraris. Even Golden Boy Hamilton made slides and mistakes, but was lucky enough to escape this time. Remember his many mistakes toward the end of last year? Everyone makes them. This is an incredibly tough sport and also an incredibly close one. Mere tenths or thousandths of a second often separate the grid, so one error means a lot. The sky hasn't fallen just yet (although many thought it had fallen on Ferrari last year, only to be proven wrong).

 

Stick to football buddy....


Also, can someone please fire Piquet jr.? He's useless, and I swear I called it that he would crash out on those drys. When Alonso was having problems with them, It was obvious Piquet jr. wouldn't be able to handle it. Also, great job by Hamilton, Webber, Vettel and even Nakajima. Nakajima is starting to work for his seat, and he may end up being the best Japanese driver so far from Japan. Poor Sutil, he drove an amazing race.

 

hahahhha no you don't, not a clue, stupid comments defending the knucklehead Raikkonen, he drove like a chump today , slow off the mark (that let LH get closer than he should have) , then smacks the front, then drives slow, then smacks into Sutil, then with nothing to lose (NOT LOOSE YOU ILLITERATES) he sets fastest lap, big deal, he's an idiot !!

FM is way better than KR atm and you Massa bashers and Kimi lovers should pull your horns in , your boy is driving pathetically again and needs another kick up the backside from LdM

BTW Carol, you might want to check that comment about Graham Hill being the last Brit to win Monaco, DC is recognised as a Brit even if he is a Scot

 

Dont hold back there , John boy ...

 

come on Stevo, don't tell me you thought Kimi drove well ?

or that these guys murdering the English language doesn't drive you mad

IF FM had driven the race KR did everyone here would be calling for his head and rightfully so, but all of a sudden the not-so-icy man blows it big time and dills here are defending him blaming the road for crying out loud !!!

He drove like a rank amateur, he's the one that looks like he can't handle the cars without traction control, period !

He is a good driver, not great, got the WDC because FM gave away his home race and it's about time the Massa bashers realised he has got the number of their boy.

Personally I want both guys to win, they're driving the cars I love

 

Neither Kimi, Phil, nor Ferrari have had the best record at Monaco. Kimi's run was way off all day. But, given that it's Ferrari, we're not likely to ever hear the real reason. Ferrari doesn't tend to publish their mistakes. (At least, not to the press. According to formula1.com, the stewards decided against a penalty for Kimi on the Sutil incident.)

Kimi mostly looked so bad because Felipe made up so much ground over his previous performances in the principality. (How many times have I said that Phil is still improving? )

Unfortunately, the Ferrari team still is off the mark at Monaco.
Now let's just watch for those pit lane red lights at Canada.


And I keep trying to tell people: just remember the important difference between loser women and looser women.
But that's the kind of mistake casting a spell check over your post won't catch.

 

I can nearly agree with all that John, I think he had the car set up all wrong (dry one) I 'am not sure that he is renowed for car set up,or Ferrari didnt prepare for a wet set up.. does Massa get MS's help..?

Yes Massa would have been torched on here, he did have a off moment and was lucky he didnt prang it , but on the whole he did well IMO.
When it goes wrong for kimi it goes wrong but that applies to most of the driver's ,he may not have been pushing so hard but for the fact he was playing catch up for most of the race and not all of it was his fault (drive through pen).

It made for a good interesting race even without the best of result's..

 

the wet sorts the men from the boys, look at some of the race from the guys with only talent on their side and it makes for an interesting end of year shuffle.

I like Vettel, Sutil and Webber in the wet .... ok LH dri ves ok as well but I'm not talking about the guys with the best cars here, I'm looking at the guys with the poor machinery doing very well when the wet turns up and reduces the advantages these guys in the supercars have over everyone else.

If LH had clobbered Sutil he would have been BBQ'd here for sure but then I think anyone that had of boned Sutil in the position he was in would have copped it, but I cannot believe there are people defending KR's lack of control , .... what , he hadn't been down that road before ??!! He suddenly didn't realise there was no traction control ?? He thought using Sutil as his brakes was a good idea ??

oh well, there are some strange people on fchat , me included

 

Put Rubica cube with those ,he drove very well and I rate him , IIRC Kimi's mistake was not allowing for any heat in his brakes after following the SC, but no excuse he was fish tailing before he hit Sutil on the brakes, he just had a brain fade as such, with his speed coming out the tunnel and standing on the cold brakes way to late.

 

always rated Rubik's Cube highly and he has shown again what he is capabale of

how long has kimi been racing ??

even w/e warriors know the brakes have to be warmed before you try something questionable, amateur mistake, 5 spot penalty next race

 

From F1.com:

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2008/5/7840.html

I don't have to say how dissapointed I am in this, once again FIA shows how lenient they are towards the red cars [/personal opinion]

 

Kimi's mistake was really amatuer. As Scuderia fans we should be honest and admit he probably deserved a penalty of some sort. If it were any other driver or team, they would have slammed him. Rightfully so.

 

Webber was in an accident?

 

>>>>The stewards subsequently examined the incident, but decided no action was necessary.

now I'm a biased Ferrari fan but that is ridiculous, here we have a WDC no less not knowing he needs to warm his brakes after a safety car and loses the rear end , wobbles all over the place and slams into a "tailend Charlie" but it's not Kimi's fault or an avoidable accident ???

"good decision", so who won WWII from the FIA's perspective ? that could be interesting

btw I was praying for KR to make up the lost ground but after the Sutil incident I just wanted him to park it and go away

 

yep, he signed the wrong form , it should have had a Horse at the top of the sheet

 

Just watching the race replay on speed now again....

Watched REAL close when Sutil retired......AS pulls in, they jack the car, they drop it, then the lollipop man bashes the lollipop on the nose of the car!

Just goes to show the frustration through the entire team!

 

When does Webber start getting the credit he deserves? He's driving the wheels off his car (that is finally reliable).

 

These things happen. Drivers are human. It was unfortunate for everyone involved but no one did anything on purpose. It would be mistake to punish drivers for these kind of things simply because there was no faul play.

 

the last time I remember it happening was to Ralph Schumacher and it wasn't any different to that

I don't believe there is any foul play, but the stewards are deeming "avoidable" accidents in a very subjective way that seems very favourable towards Kimi in this instance

Ralph had brain fade in his accident just as Kimi did but the penalties vary

 

No, it wasn't deliberate, but when Sato hit Hamilton last year (i think it was those too involved, someone correct me please) he was penalized in the next race. Sato didn't do it deliberately, but he ****ed up. I just feel that the punishment should be fair and equal for all teams nothing more nothing less. Kimi deserves a penalty on the next race, lets be honest with ourselves....

 

I agree on Piquet, but I don't feel bad for Renault at all, they gave up 2 pretty decent guys who both would have happily stayed on at Renault, to take on a real chump for the benefit of another chump. Was a bad idea for Renault to hire NP in the first place - now they're paying for it.

 

I turned off the replay after lap 56 (or so). Once again, Speed managed to go to commercial for both of Massa's pit stops, so I didn't notice the first time around:

1) Massa did his job: he drove crazy fast laps in the spray before his first stop and demolished Kubica on the pit rotation. Massa got ahead of Kubica, *despite* being held in the pits for almost 12 seconds while they loaded him up with a supertanker's fuel load.

The extra fuel (and the potential to have to get 44 laps out of a set of inters) kept Massa from pulling away from 2-stop Kubica, and let Hamilton waltz away.

2) Massa's second stop was just tires, no fuel.

** And it was more than a second longer than either Kubi's or Hamilton's fuel+tire stops ***

8.8s is inexcusable for a tire-only, without dropping a lug nut.
Between the two stops, Ferrari kept Massa in the pits more than three seconds longer than Kubi's total pit time (per F1's pit summary).

And Kubi just squeaked past Massa.

I have to say: It looks a lot like Ferrari just *let* Kubica by.

Combine that with the grid fiasco for Kimi, and it looks like Ferrari threw this race.

Like some other F1 results over the last couple of years, I'm sensing eau de rodent here. WWF1?

 

no way mate, it's all above board

but then why would ferrari "want" to lose a position ??

Doesn't make sense unless you believe in "Capricorn F1"

 

ROFL