Hamilton and Rosberg after montreal race - spoiler

"Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg will lose ten places on the grid at the French Grand Prix following their pitlane incident in Canada.

Hamilton crashed into the back of Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen at the end of the pitlane on lap 20, when the Finn braked to stop in front of the red light. The Briton said he saw the light too late and could not avoid hitting the Ferrari.

Both men retired in the accident.

Rosberg could not stop in time either and hit Hamilton from behind, although the Williams driver was able to continue in the race.

Both Hamilton and Rosberg will be hit with a 10-place grid penalty in France in two weeks' time."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/68140

 

Tee-Hee.

 

Why wasn't Rosberg black flagged? Essentially he did same mistake as Felipe last year. Whatever, Hamilton Starting no less than 10 is good news for the Scuderia, especially on a track Ferrari has good pace. Hopefully Kimi can leap ahead of Lewis in points.

 

Yeah I think we can pretty much expect Ferrari domination there.

 

On the TSN feed Lewis half blamed his team for not telling him "in time" that there was a red light. He did however apologize to Kimi fairly quickly so I guess Hami was just unhappy.

 

and if we get to the last race, and kimi needs LH to DNF, just run him off the road and we call it square

 

And you saw how that excuse for Massa was received, last year.

Right now, Sutil is telling Lewis: "You have to waggle the car before hitting someone from behind, to avoid a penalty".

Next time Lewis takes driving tips from his dad, make it on the golf course.

 

Well, since Rosberg ran into the back of Hamilton, he did not actually end up running the red light - thus no black flag.

 

Why was the light red? Pits were open correct? Seems like FOM screwed up to me...

 

ermm, good point ...

 

Safety car and the rest of the field needed to get by the pit lane exit.

 

People want to see drivers race, not Stewards pontificate. There was no reason to have the pitlane exit closed especially as the safety car had gone by. But, given it was on the race track (the pitlane is part of the track) and Hamilton did not gain an advantage by hitting Raikkonen (as Raikkonen did not gain an advantage by clumsily shunting into Sutil and destroying his race at Monaco) then one can only suppose some form of double standards is at work, and that isn't sport!

 

safety regs are safety regs, no point whining. err, can't compare the two incidents... Hami is rightfully penalized because it was a bonehead avoidable shunt...

 

the red light is on for a reason, safety

you wanna put your glasses back on, just like Hamilton

He has obviously been taking lessons from his old man

 

I will definitely add you to the rest of my list of jokers on f-chat.
You were just joking, right?

 

from autosport:

Apparently mr Whitmarsh doesn't see any difference with a car that gets lost in handlingproblems for whatever reason and as a consequence runs into the back of the car in front and a driver that completely misses a red light and runs into the back of a car that is stationary while waiting for that light to turn green. How is it that a CEO of a frontrunning Formula 1 team doesn't understand the fundamental difference in these two situations and has no problem demonstrating his ignorance to the international press?

 

team heads are defiant to the end,

 

You are going from the premisses that only actions that benefits the one who acts, are eligible for punishment. Of course that is a complete misunderstanding. Any avoidable accident is punishable to the one who was in the reasonable position to avoid it but neglect to do so.

In Monaco the stewards decided that the fact that Kimi suddenly lost the back of the Ferrari wasn't down to any misconduct of the driver himself. The consequences weren't reasonable avoidable, so one couldn't blame Kimi for not avoiding the crash.

Hamilton could have and should have avoided crashing into Kimi, since it is down to a very fundamental rule: RED LIGHT MEANS STOP. The two drivers in front had no problem in obeying that rule, but Hamilton broke that rule and put himself and his nearest rival out as a consequence.

If Hamilton had -for instance- lost the car on the marbles into the hairpin and put Kimi and himself out that way, I am sure he would have walked away without a penalty.

Surely the difference is quite obvious. But don't ask mr Whitmarsh. He needs a new brain as well.

 

Yeah, and it seems to rub on the fans of the teams they run too.

 

You know, some here are talking about karma. Last year Kubica was penalized for simply racing Hamilton. How is that for karma?

 

^^^ Correct. The tail end of the line following the pace car has to clear the pit exit before the cars on pit lane can exit and return to the track.

 

Its pretty simple boys. Red means stop and green means go. You dont have to be on a race track to know that.

 

How many times have we seen cars stopped at pit exit? I've watched for 8 years and can't think of the last time I've seen the lead pack of cars at a dead stop at pit exit?

I've seen plenty of cars lapping not being able to get into the pits because they were closed.
BUT THIS IS THE 1st TIME I'VE SEEN TWO CARS STOPPED SIDE-BY-SIDE at the white line of the pit exit during a race???

Is this just something that happens in Canada?

Ruined the race for how many millions of viewers, to take the top-2-drivers out over the flick of a light from green to red.

 

The race was ruined for Kimi. I would have liked to have seen the action between Kimi and Kubica when that light turned green. Turned out the Kubica was just racing himself.

 

Well actually it happened last year and it is not unusual. If it is going to make it easier for you, Hamilton is not the first or the only one who has fallen asleep on the wheel though