He sure TRIED to destroy everyone's car this weekend. Maybe his dad should've gotten in the spare car and helped him finish everyone off. After all he'd been practicing that week as well...... http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/10062008/58/hamilton-unshaken-howler.html I like this one too where he says the red light rule is "stupid" and basically says who puts a red light up in a race? His mouth is really starting to annoy me. It's an accident. Say you f'd up, apologize, and move on.
If Hamilton drove for Ferrari, a lot of you would think he is the Second Coming. Since he doesn't, a lot of you can't stop thinking up enough criticisms of the guy. He's getting a lot of stick for doing something accidentally that Schumacher did intentionally many times throughout his career.
Your comments are showing more desperation each and everytime you post. You slam either Massa or MS or make longdistance comparisons to races in the 90s. You went crazy on Massa last year when he ran the red in Canada and now you defend Lewis for making a smashem derby at the same red light. Even Sir Jackie Stewart, one of Hamilton's staunchest supporters, is questioning his level of maturity in the wake of the Montreal howler. When Massa passes its Kamikasi and when he dosnt he was scared or didnt know how. Lewis has now made 3 HUGELY CRITICLE errors in the last 8 races but according to you.....thats OK. Again I just have to wonder where your allegence lies because it is very obvious where its not.
Pit lane rules in F1 are draconian, how many times are we going to see drivers fined, for someone else's error on the track.. This is no way intended to distract the error Lewis made, his fault 100% and the same could be said of Rosberg, but something is wrong... just my point of view in which this weekend highlighted. He has said sorry, and it's his moving on and dealing with it, that does not suit everyones ideal of a F1 humble driver, so what...
Old like the constant moaning/bashing of a guy that makes mistakes and bashed even when he doesnt. End of the day he has given F1 a injection of excitement whatever way you look at it.
He made an honest mistake - it cost us and him points. He's saying everything but what he should be (IMO) saying. Which is something to the effect of, "Yeah, I really screwed up and sacked both our cars. My appologies... let's get back to racing." However, he says the rule is dumb. He says they should have been in a line, not side by side... anything but what he should say. Lewis is a talented driver, of that there is no question. Lewis just needs some pointers on etiquette for crashing out other cars for no good reason (and throwing away a WDC.)
Ignoring your own cupability is not moving on. It is arrogant. His arrogance and sense of entitlement lost him the championship last year and it will lose it for him again this year. As good as he thinks he is, has everone forgotten that Kubica is leading the World Championship right now? Reminds me of the tortise and the hare. Kubica has been very quiet in getting into the lead-and I respect that.
Lewis spend the entire race weekend driving by the Ferrari pits and reving his engine to piss off the Ferrari Team. The only reason he got pole was because he played one lap wonder. Just look where he crossed the Start/Finish line and you will see how he got there, then he had to stand on the brakes so he did not go off the track and crash. Went he hit Kimi at the red light its funny how he aimed of the Ferrari and not the BMW. He was only fined 10 spots for the next race. They should do what they did to Shumi when he intentionally hit JV that one year. Maybe Lewis needs a refresher course at Skip Barber.
Here's how it works: I state a position, I provide supporting facts for my position. You take your position, you provide supporting facts for yours and we debate. We can choose to buttress our position with further points or we can challenge each others contentions with offsetting arguments. This is how it's done. You, on the other hand, choose to completely disregard the above and go directly to personal attacks for suppositions that have nothing to do with the discussion at hand. If you had done any research whatsoever you would have seen that I did in fact slam Hamilton for making a completely bone-headed move and supported the fact that he would be penalized for it at the next GP. You also ignore the fact that I repeatedly stated that Massa's pass of Rubens and HK was a great move, well done. You ignore these because of two reasons: 1) They competely invalidate any point you are trying to make and 2) You have absolutely nothing to say in response to my position. So, take a deep breath, think your arguments through, and present an informed rebuttal of the points at hand. That way we can have an intelligent discussion that is beneficial for all.
I'm not so sure if he would have destroyed the rest of the field. I think he was on na aggressive strategy with less fuel and soft tires for the first stint and possibly more stops than the rest. A bit like Turkey. I think he was about to come in anyway when the SC occured. The others followed him, taking away his advantage. One of the best tactical moves was that of Honda for bringing in Button for soft tires only before the pitlan was open. The next lap in he changed them immediately for the better hard tires and fuel (which was allowed because the pitlane was now officially open).
Hamilton made a rookie mistake something that a driver of his caliber should not be making. Honestly that was one of the most avoidable accidents this year in Formula One and Lewis is lucky that it was Kimi in that car or else he might have gotten his @$$ kicked.
You destort history and other members posts. You continually bash Massa, and MS even in threads that they are not mentioned in. You insult and belittle dozens of members who just dont care to share in you fantasies. But the biggist item not in your favour is your continued bashing of Massa who is only second to Kubica in the last 5 races and is gaining unbelievable ground on the track of late. You are rapidly loosing credibility here because you refuse to see or admit the obivious.
If Hamilton drove for Ferrari, a lot of you would think he is the Second Coming. Since he doesn't, a lot of you can't stop thinking up enough criticisms of the guy. He's getting a lot of stick for doing something accidentally that Schumacher did intentionally many times throughout his career +1,000,000,000,000!!!
What part of "this is how to structure an argument" did you not understand? Credibility is gained or lost by the rationality of the arguments out forth. I state my positions and I put forth the reasoning behind them. You can choose to agree with me or disagree with me. If you disagree, then put forth a counter-argument with your interpretation of events and then we can have an inteliigent and informed debate. Trotting out your tired and pathetic pejoratives, while comforting to you, add nothing to the discussion at hand. My credibility lies with my analysis of the issues and my ability to put forth a reasoned argument. Lots of folks disagree here, there is no more ardent a Massa supporter than TifosiRon. We are able to hold a civil discussion becuase he rebuts my contentions with facts of his own, he doesn't trot out the "you are a Massa hater and hence you hate Ferrari" nonsense, he addresses the contentions I have made and either refutes them or offers up an opposing viewpoint. Remy Zero has done the same, he addresses my points and offers up a counter-argument. This is how issues are debated with intelligence and insight If you are incapable of doing that then I suggest, if credibility is paramount to you, that you say nothing.
Whitmarsh said before adding: "The reality is that, in every race he's done for us so far, Heikki has done a fantastic job and if you look at fuel-corrected times, he's frequently out-qualified Lewis. Lewis Hamilton 1st! to pit.
You are older, more educated and experienced than me, but I'll take the challenge. I disagree with the way you carry yourself on this site, mainly for one reason and that is not WHAT you say but HOW you say it. Let me state my position so we can start this carnival. I think it is not normal for a FERRARI fan on a FERRARI site to constantly try to put down someone like Schumacher. It is not normal for a tifoso to be a McLaren apologist after what they did last year. It is not normal to call people ON A FERRARI SITE "tin hat ostriches, sycophant fair weather fans, with their heads in the sand" when they are not agreeing with you. Also in my opinion it is not right for anyone who made it into F1, let alone a McLaren star driver, to not see a flashing red light at the end of pit lane at 80km/h, not to mention dive into the gear box of his main rival, while he was not moving. Let me add that your comparisons with MS's incidents are wrong on three separate levels. First of all MS never drove into someone who was stationary in the pit lane, just because they leapfrogged him in the pits. Second, he never did it at the 1/3 mark of the season when the championship is still wide open. It was only when defending his chances of being the champion and like a true born-to -be-competitive personality, had to win at all cost.Pretty much absolutely no different than Senna or Prost. Last but not least, Lewis simply is not Schumacher, he will never be. Schumacher worked for everything he got. He got addicted to winning because he found it on his own. Lewis was raised to believe that winning is his given right.
