Whew doggies... Joe, are you telling me that you don't know what motor it has? Or that you know, but you're not telling me. God, I hope it's the latter! Fred
This car definitely has to go to the factory museum, it's incredible which ignorant a***oles leaded the factory in those days selling all the old prototypes. When you look what Tonino made of some of them specially the Jalpa Spider one's stomach turns like a washing machine.
Raymond: Relative to prototypes, it is unfortunate that the factory sold EVERYTHING at some point in the golden era. Flying Star, Jota, Miura Spyder, GTV, Jarama RS, you name it, they sold it. However, I envision a collector wishing to share it with the public by lending it to the Museo for display for extended periods perhaps...
Thanks Paul. Here are the pics dated 26 October 1963from Tonino's book. So this proves the car did have an engine with vertical carbs in 1963. Was it running, though? Who know, unless you were there. I recall mention that when restoring this car the engine did have to be lowered or pushed back in the chassis to clear the hood. Perhaps in these photos the hood was touching when closed. Glen
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Glen, I have period images of the car that show it with a fair amount of mud & road-grime. Somehow I don't think it was being pushed along
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Glorified show car but will always be "number one" of the entire marque. These days add 'useful Touring sports car' to the description... Image Unavailable, Please Login
The indoor shot of the car covered in dirt is from it sitting exposed outdoors for so many years. There are a number of shots of it any other cars similarly covered in dirt from pidgeons (or some other bird), rain, etc. I don't see any dirt in the color shot.
i think the history of the engine going on the car for the first time many years after the car was showed off, came from Stefano Pasini who also helped restoring it i remember he talking about the modification the engine had to go through to get functionally in the car i doubt he invented it i also seem to remember the guys at emilianauto talking about the time that they put to make the car and engine toegether (but i admit it was almost 20 years ago and i was just a kid....)
Interesting to see the engine still in it though... The original color was Blu Ischia and these days its more of a Blu Benzina (Petrol blue)
as Fred said this car is the holy grail to many lamborghini passionates all around the world: the ultimate collection item, no matter if it was not awesome looking, if magazines were or not in love with Scaglione design, or even if it was running or not! i always felt it looked nice but a little weird, but i agree any lambo passionate would love to have it in his collection With the worthless dollar, it will probably end up in Europe.
just musing here - if someone in Europe bought it, say, and loaned it to the factory, what is the likelihood of the government declaring it a national treasure, thus prohibiting it from leaving? Perhaps not very high for this particular example, but I've always wondered this when people lend rare artifacts to museums in their country of origin.
Well, fwiw, after looking at all the photos, after reading various articles... My vote is that it simply never ran until Stefano put it together (with the correct driveshaft) and made a running car out of it. Still, I don't care about whether it was running or not. I'm mostly interested in what engine is in it. If it's the #1 engine from the testbed...well that's pretty special. To have #1 engine with #1 car would "rock!" Anything short of that...will result in dings. Just my opinion Cheers, Fred
Well, there were obviously 2 GTV engines here, one in the car and one on the stand. You can see in the photos that everybody is wearing the same clothese so the photos of the car with the engine in it and the indoor shot of the engine on a stand were taken on the same day. I don't ever recall seeing recorded anywhere what the engine number was in the GTV and I've even heard of engine with no numbers. The car had an engine, it stayed with the car and is still in the car as far as anybody knows.