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DIRECT COIL IGNITION SYSTEMS FOR 308

Discussion in '308/328' started by pedro.maia, Jul 24, 2008.

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  1. pedro.maia

    pedro.maia Karting

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    Hello,

    Already look around, in ferrarichat, for some information.. But didn´t find it..

    Does anyone knows where can I find DIRECT COIL IGNITION SYSTEMS FOR 308/328/ MONDIAL FERRARI'S in Europe??

    I have already find it in here:
    http://www.nicksforzaferrari.com/forzaferrariwebsite1_025.htm

    But for taxes reasons I would prefear to buy it in Europe..

    Thanks in advance,
    Pedro Maia
     
  2. FasterIsBetter

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    Can't help you with a supplier in Europe, but I can tell you about Nick's kit. It provides everything you need to do the installation, including excellent instructions. I bought the kit from Nick and it took a little time to install, but was well worth the effort. If you can't find one in Europe, consider buying Nick's kit. It is a proven system that works well with these cars.
     
  3. DGS

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    If you search on "coil on plug" you might get more results.
     
  4. etip

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    As weak as the dollar is vs. the Euro, I would think you WOULD want to buy in the US vs. Europe.
     
  5. bert308

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    #5 bert308, Jul 24, 2008
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    I ordered a lot in the US, dollars are cheap, no tax for used items and the US has no VAT so if you have to pay VAT over here, you would have had to anyway.
    I'm installing a mega squirt ECU with Ford EDIS8 ingnition. But you can buy the Mega Jolt ignition controller (99 GBP from here: http://trigger-wheels.com/store/index1.html ) with an EDIS8 kit from ebay (US - $99+shipping) and be done. I bought only the EDIS8 module from a US seller because they are hard to find in Europe and scored the rest from a local salvage yard, it seems every 4 cil Ford has the needed coilpack (you need 2 for a V8) with connector and sparkplugwire connectors (there is a special connector that goes in the coilpacks).
     
  6. racespecferrari

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  7. mk e

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    I'm not sure how happy you're going to be with the mega squirt ECU. The problem is it uses 12x12 maps and that's is just not enough points to get a good tune on a high performance engine. I think 16 rpm points is about the minimum. On boosted engine sequential injection makes the low power tuning noticeably better too. 12 load points is probably ok, but again more is better.

    I'm seriously considering a VEMS ecu which has 16x16 (the minimum, but I think enough), it has 20 channels so it will do direct fire, full sequential injection and still 4 left for stuff like idle air control and it also has the coil drivers built in so it ends up a pretty cheap option….I think they run around $700 US.
     
  8. bert308

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    #8 bert308, Aug 5, 2008
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    I did a lot of research and reading before I made a choice, so I already knew your opinion but still the megasquirt II 3.57 seemed the best choice for me. It has all surface mount components (automated machine build). I also read about the VEMS but when I did a google search several negative comments turned up, it had a lot of bugs and no great support so more for the experienced and electronics guys.
    I saw a software upgrade for the mega squirt that does bigger tables (16x16 or even more) but I thought, 12x12 would be ample if you define your points carefully, it does linear interpolation (and extrapolation) so I thought if there is a linear correlation somewhere in the range you can save points there, anyway, I'm still learning. I was waiting for the microsquirt-sequencer board to come out, it does sequential and drives 8 coils it is based on the little microsquirt intended for motorbikes and such but is a lot of electronics in a little case with all the high output drivers in there so I figured I would go the safer proven road. There will be a sequencer board for the MS2 eventually, would be nice to have direct coil on plug.
    What is your opinion regarding waste spark ignition on the F V8, isn't there to much cam overlap, you wouldn't want an ignition towards the inlet through a partially opened inlet valve? The MSII can be modified to have two ignition outputs (while sacrificing the ability to properly drive low resistance injectors), I could do that and run the original distributers.
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  9. mk e

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    You're right about the support on the VEMS, but they are getting better.......and one of the company principales is a freind of a freind so I have a direct line which clearly biases my opinion :)


    Still, the maps in the motec (20x40) or haltech(32x32) are better.....but I'm cheap pretty :)

    The software guys will say 8 points is enough, 12 is just marketing.....the engine guys generally want 20+ at user defined rpm.

    To get a 308 to run and drive good with no issues anywhere you want points at
    1- 0
    2 - 250 (about cranking speed)
    3 - 750 (idle minus)
    4 - 1000 (idle)
    5 - 1250 (high idle)
    6- 1500 (off idle)
    7- 2000
    8- 2500
    9- 3000
    10-3500
    11 - 4000
    12 -4500
    13 - 5000 (torque peak)
    14 - 6000
    15 - 7000
    16 - 8000

    You can get by with less, more is better. The engine air flow simply isn't linear much beyond these points and if you don't use the extra points down low starting, idle, and off idle performance will be poor. To get to 12, I guess drop the 250 point, and try to spread the other points a bit by looking at a 308 torque curve and trying to pick rpm points that will allow you to make a similar graph in the map tables becasue torque tells you cylinder fill which determines fuel and timing requirements.

    If I had 20 points I would add at least these and the engine would run better as these will smooth some of the transitions.

    17 - 1750
    18 - 2250
    19 - 5500

    In a haltech with 32 point a point every 250 rpm and be done with it without every thinking. My first ECU was a haltech E6K which had 16 pre set points every 500 rpm and it worked ok, but I could just never quite get the off idle preformance quite right, I had to rich up the 1500 rpm mixture more than I liked and it was just never quite perfect. My next ECU was the E11, I had a V1 which which I got every every cheap becasue they were recalled for sensor issues and mine came out of the scrap pile, but the 32 rpm points fixed all tuning quicks I had with the 16 fixed point E6k. It makes a big difference so get the 16 point software upgrade if you can.

    On a boosted engine that runs large injectors sequentail injection makes a noticable difference, I tried my last haltech both ways an the difference was clear.

    I ran waste spark with no problem at all, I wouldn't be concerned about that.

    Good luck with it, I'll be looking for your feedback on the MS!
     
  10. bert308

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    Well, I just opened the case and the surface mounted capacitors brought back old memories, I worked for Philips about 15 years ago and operated the machines that cut wafers into seperate 1206, 0805 and 0603 capacitors. The only place I ever worked were I had female coworkers, some specimens, no wonder they moved production to the far east when all was developed.
     

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