It's about effort. Any money, once given to you, is yours. Heck, it's yours if you have just helped yourself to it, if you are above the law. But, like anything, if you don't expend any effort in acquiring it, you have less value (marginal utility) for it...easy come, easy go. If you worked for it, chances are you value it more. And that would lead you to have a lot more respect for the things you exchange that money for. If the only effort it took was a phone call to daddy or the trust fund manager, well, what's another phone call? Of course there are people for whom money has the appropriate meaning, no matter how it was acquired...but they don't go around tossing it out of buckets. It certainly seems like this guy led a frivolous, wasteful life and did not have much respect for anything (except maybe some notion that driving fast in a fast car made him cool). The middle east isn't the only place where kids like this exist. Asians, South Americans, Russians, Americans,...there are examples from everywhere.
And more spoiled kids who haven't earned, and therefore don't respect, their toys are going to die. Just what is it about this truth that hurts your feelings so much? The kid was reckless and Daddy is culpable, resulting in the unnecessary waste of a life and a good car. Stupid actions sometimes beget repulsive and totally avoidable consequences, and in this case no respect is warranted.
js430 got 48 hours for circumventing the profanity filter and trolling. I asked him to dial it back on his return. This is NOT the P&R section, it is a regional forum where we expect somewhat better behavior and a sensitivity to those who live within that region, WHATEVER region that might be.
Talk about having a skill-set, now I've seen it. What was the most interesting report you've come across personally?
ok folks, i am back. didn't realize we had such hypersensitive mods, or that i was violating the TOU. most interesting accident i helped investigate was not auto-related, but a submarine punching up into a Japanese fishing boat...the Ahime Maru incident. first i had to learn how submarines "drive". don't know if you are aware, but the sunken boat was raised up to a shallower shelf (200 feet depth) for its final resting place. it did make it much easier to inspect. i suspect that a lot of the military's interest was in seeing the ramming potential of sub hulls. their modeling software is simply incredible, as is the speed with which they turn around modeling requests. i was also exposed to a software that analyzes impact and explosion sound waves and works backwards to figure out the details of the sound and what caused it. the entire accident was recorded from several angles by microphones on the sub and others buried on the sea floor, so they had a lot to work with. i know they used this software in an interesting way to optimize the bombproofing on some ships, but i can't say more. simply incredible stuff, and the speed and professionalism of the navy guys was just mind-blowing. have also worked tangentially on the Princess Diana crash. that one's a toughie, because of all the ricocheting that the car did. it's interesting how Diana was conscious and lucid after the crash, at least for a while. i hate motorcycle crashes and fairground accidents. they usually mangle bodies pretty badly. and i am amazed by the people who investigate air crashes. that is an amazing skill. to me those accident sites look like one big incomprehensible forest fire. i do enjoy investigating maritime mishaps, especially in warm, shallow waters. nice weather, easy work, well-heeled customers with gorgeous daughters...what's not to like??! at the risk of another ban, i have not changed my opinion about the slr driver. nor do i think i was overly harsh in my criticism. but, whatever.
At the risk of being redundant, bypassing the profanity filter, and using insulting language in a regional forum is in bad taste and a TOU violation. I do not have a problem with criticism of the driver, or of the events that transpired, but I do (as do many of the people from this particular region who PM'd me) have a problem with your choice of language and your open disdain for many of the members in here. Pretend, for a moment, that you are actually in the living room of the people with whom you are speaking. Then tell me, as you sit in their living room, that you would use the same language as you used in here, and would be openly mocking of their life styles and their customs. That's the problem. This is the Middle East forum, not the P&R section. OK? Dave
i agree with the general jist of what you said,it was just said wrong , it was pretty bad the guy died ................and another reason i always wear a seat belt
I don't read voluminous instruction manuals and I haven't read the TOU here...which is my problem. I didn't realize I was violating the profanity rule, although I think the sensitivity threshold is a tad high. Whatever, it's your board and your rules and I am happy to abide by them. You have warned me before and I accepted responsibility and edited out my offending words. I would have done the same here if you had PMed me. I simply forgot I was not supposed to use words like the ones I used, I know better now. My views on the victim remain the same. Of course, if I was in his parents' living room, I would be more careful about what I say and how I say it. I hold them equally responsible too, but how do you tell a grieving parent he contributed (significantly) to his kid's death? I don't know. The great thing about the internet is that you can speak your mind. And in this case, I know I am right. So would anyone with half a brain. Those with three quarters would actually be able to change their own viewpoints. I love speed--fast cars, bikes, etc., etc. What normal guys doesn't? That does not mean I elevate their owners to god status, or gloss over the fact if they screw up. I agree this is cominng across as disdain...but hopefully you can see it's disdain towards an attitude (giving breaks to someone just because they have an Enzo or whatever), not specific people in this thread. I should have been more careful to make that distinction. Thanks for pointing that out to me. And, to anyone I insulted directly, sorry. But please stop worshipping people just because they have a Koenigsegg or whatever. At least, don't expect others to join you in your worship. Fair enough? It's not about culture at all. I gave examples of people from everywhere, and so did another poster. Heck, I have loved the Arab countries every time I have gone there, though summers are unbearably hot for car-related fun. This personal experience is also what makes me familiar with the arrogance and lack of respect that is very prevalent (or perhaps just more pronounced) in that culture. "I can buy you" is how the rich there approach life...not realizing that everything isn't for sale, and not everyone thinks this attitude is cool. It's not about money, either, in the sense that reckless people come from all classes: rich, poor, and everywhere in between. Some just have lesser toys and, in all likelihood, will garner less publicity when they screw up. Everything else stays the same though, and most adult toys can kill you if you are not adult about how you use them. Lots of M3 and Mustang drivers who baited death as obviously as this until they too ended up on a slab. It's about maturity and respect and knowing limits and awareness of the exponentially greater dangers when you push up on both the extreme and the excess sliders. Not having the right attitude will hurt you, and possibly others. You can flip a Corolla or a jetski and end up dead. But the Veyron or yacht mishap will make the headlines.
Similar accident in the early 90's in Saudi Arabia. Some kid from the royal family, latest CL500 I believe (can't remember the model). His relatives could not believe how he ended up dead in such a "safe" car. Same thing: single vehicle accident, broad daylight, straight stretch. He killed his Australian girlfriend too.
That's absolutely unreal... I saw this on Fast Lane Daily and was really blown away at the amount of destruction. The car is torn to little pieces.... How fast as the driver going? Well, I guess nobody will really know. _J
Roadside Bomb perhaps? Have you seen what they can do to a US Humvee? Imagine a Mercedes? These cars are built to go fast and if you pay for the car you should have the right to exersise the speed in a SAFE manner. Some of you guys saying "Oh he was speeding". Of course he was, what else would you buy an exotic for? To impress your friends at the Country Club while driving 55 MPH? Please, what a waste, if you buy a "Race Car" then Race it when the time is right don't hang it on the wall of your garage. Oh and JS430 do not hate on a young kid because he is wealthy enough to buy a Expensive vehicle. Since you have such vast knowledge of past accidents then surley you should know that there are way more "Unspoiled" kids who die in Honda Civics, Mitsu Eclipses, and Street Bikes so it does not matter what you drive. And as for the Parents being at fault, why because they bought their kid a car? I received an M3 for my 16th B-Day and Im still here. If the parents are at fault then should we blame parents who convince their children to join the military and then get killed?
I sense jealousy... Bigtime... Give the kid a break guys. Spoiled or not, this is a tragedy and no 22 y.o. should die at such young age.
+1....speak your mind. He was speeding and stupid. Sad he died but he was stupid. I crashed my hayabusa at approx 100 mph racing...luckily I lived but I was Stupid!! I don't think you said 1 wrong thing in any post.......chill out people!!
There is no worse pain than the loss of a child. Thankful he didn't take any innocent other people with him. That being said and this is F- Chat, is there anyone here that can claim to never driving a car , say over 100mph?
I've just read this thread, and firstly my condolences to the family. A sad loss of life that could have been avoided. Secondly Jerry im really sorry to hear some of your comments. You seem to be a man who has travelled and seen things, but some of your comments are just bang out of order. I've lived in five countries including Saudi (twice) and your comments are not representative of the Saudis I know and have met. Most of the people I know that have supercars are from families that do not have oil wells in their back garden. Some of these guys are from normal families who have done well in business. I've seen crazy driving in all the countries i've lived in including the US and UK, not to mention spoilt kids in all countries.
+1 Although we do have a sample of the arrogant people you mentioned, but they are only like 0.5% of the population. They were born with silver spoons in their mouths & they dont appreciate what they have because they didnt have to work to get it. I bet they dont log to Ferrari chat because they are too busy having some fun some where in the world and dont care about getting any info about a DIY or how to get a part because they have special workshops doing this for them. The rest of the population is like us waiting for next salary to buy a P zero tire for example. I agree with some of your points and disagree with some, thanks for your input. Regards.
I was wondering about that. Even if the driver was buckled in, he would have been subjected to some tremendous forces.
On the right track, but it's impact (in physics, I believe it's actually called impulse), not force. It's the rate of change of force or rate of change of acceleration per se--which is known as "jerk" in physics. Think of it this way: you can press on a nail head with a hammer and it won't go into a piece of wood, but if you tap it with the hammer, it will. Seat belts don't prevent impulse forces so it's unlikely the driver would have survived a high speed crash even if he was buckled up. But, we don't know. To those who said I was hating or being jealous - um, no, I am not. Why would I be jealous? I know the Mercedes-McLaren SLR really well, and I don't want one. I have my own sports cars, which are powerful enough for me, as well as access to just about any exotic car through my friends. For instance, I got to drive an MC12 a few weeks ago, and a Gallardo tonight. Sorry, but knowing what I know (and it is straight from Gordon Murray's mouth), the car does nothing for me. The 722 is just more of the same. To those who have corrected my impressions of the Middle East, thank you. I was there some time ago, and I am sure things have changed. Besides, I could have been wrong to begin with. I was uncomfortable with what I perceived to be a certain arrogance, especially since I felt it was unearned. I am very glad to hear most of the people are not like that.
