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  1. joe sackey

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    #4501 joe sackey, Jul 30, 2008
    Some Miuras when stripped for restoration will reveal notes on various panels and trim pieces noting the build number and color assigned. I think these were put there on these cars at Grugliasco (Bertone SpA) where the bodies and interior were put together.

    I think...
     
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    #4502 ClassicFerrari, Jul 30, 2008
    Very cool. But what I was also wondering was what is happening with this one in particular. Is this a recent car being redone? Pics of before and after?

    Is this how the back alley at Bobilef's looks? :D
     
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    #4503 joe sackey, Jul 30, 2008
    Vasco:

    This car is being restored and although most people simply check the register (as posted on the Galleria page of my site at www.joesackey.com), or simply check for traces of original paint, it is very cool to see these writings put there by the men who were working on the car in the period! On my on 4884, the interior aluminum trim panels had "bleu" hand-written on most of them.

    The car you are asking about is being restored elsewhere and not at Bobileff's so I don't have any 'after' pics yet but I can tell you that it started life a a yellow P400 built in June 1968.

    Yes Bobileff also has a "back alley", and I think Ive posted some pics on this thread before of some very scary-looking Miuras! I saw some yesterday and I felt like making a small donation to the owner :)
     
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    #4504 Nuvolari, Jul 30, 2008

    I remember being in the 'back alley' in February and seeing the Jota and Miura Bertone Spyder both apart and looking very rough. Luckily they are in the right place for a new life. Hard to believe that, at the time at least, those two cars represented the highest and second highest price ever paid for a Lambo.
     
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    #4505 joe sackey, Jul 30, 2008
    Agreed...
     
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    #4506 P400, Aug 3, 2008
    Monterey 2008 - Any information on the Miura to be displayed at Concorso, Quail or Pebble? Is the Miura Roadster to be finished and displayed at Pebble? Are there online websites with Miura preregistered for any of the shows? I see there maybe at least 3 Miura at Quail and most likely a record commitment for Quail.

    Any listing of the Prototype or Special Lamborghini for Pebble? Miura, GTV, Zagato, Marzal, Star, Spyder, Bravo, Athon, Jota?
     
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    #4507 P400, Aug 3, 2008
    An amazing quality of marking paint and the carpet glue man must have been pretty talented as well. Looks so fresh, like it was just applied. I have never seen another like it.
     
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    #4508 velocetwo, Aug 3, 2008
    The car shown in post 4502 has a Bertone' badge that looks to be red. Is that just a reflection? If not was it standard for the badge not to be silver?
     
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    #4509 joe sackey, Aug 3, 2008
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    I agree. These pics were sent to me, and BTW they are NOT of a Bobileff project car, but rather from another restorer who thought Id find the pics interesting, so all we have to go by are pics without any explanation.

    I have seen similar markings though, but on the undersides of the aluminum trim panels for the interior.

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    #4510 joe sackey, Aug 3, 2008
    Reflection, of course.

    The badge is never silver, but rather chrome-on-plastic.
     
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    Only 2 Miura are going to Quail: SV 4884 and SV 5018. Another one was registered, but I am told by the man who is working on it that it is not going to make it.

    I saw the Miura Roaster last week. It is stunning, back in its 1968 Brussels Salon guise. No pictures are allowed at the owner's request so we will have to wait till Pebble. It will most certainly be there as it is already running as of this weekend. A triumph in restoration IMHO.

    I unfortunately dont know anything about any of the other Miuras set to appear that weekend, what condition they are in, or if they will make it.

    3 Miuras is not anywhere near a record commitment for Quail. In 2000, we managed to get a world-record 27 Miuras on the grounds at Quail Lodge. Will it ever happen again?
     
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    #4512 velocetwo, Aug 3, 2008

    Thanks, just looked strange. When I say silver, I mean silver in color not plating.
     
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    #4513 joe sackey, Aug 3, 2008
    OK, yes I understand, correct you were then...
     
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    Today at Tutto Italiano at the Larz Anderson museum in Brookline (picture courtesy of fchatter douging). The Miura won Outstanding Lamborghini :)
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    #4515 joe sackey, Aug 3, 2008
    Excellent Dan!
     
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    #4517 alberto, Aug 3, 2008
    Definitely. Loui (the fellow that does the upholstery for Gary) has told me that when he was redoing a P400, his SV patterns were the wrong size (I cannot remember which way, but I think smaller). The seats are apparently different sizes at least between some P400's and later cars. I suspect the size seats on my P400 are bigger than those on your SV for example (I slide around in mine like a greased pig when dirven hard).

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    #4518 joe sackey, Aug 4, 2008
    Cloth inserts will prevent you sliding around which is why I appreciate them more...
     
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    #4519 alberto, Aug 4, 2008
    I am not sure that my car came with cloth inserts originally. A picture I have of the supposed original interior of my car, shows the inserts to be a (I assume) vinyl weave, not cloth.

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    #4520 joe sackey, Aug 4, 2008
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    Almost certainly vinyl (Skai) weave that early in the production... better grip than a smooth surface.

    For me, personally, nothing beats the cloth inserts. Grippy, cool in the summer, warm in the winter (such as we have in California)... Very comfortable.
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    #4521 alberto, Aug 4, 2008
    Exactly, that's it. Nice picture. If/when I redo the interior, I will go back to the closest leather equivalent.
     
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    The two most significant Miura seats produced still in use today will be on display at Pebble Beach 08. Anybody care to guess how many of these Miura seats exist in current use?

    Since this particular seat was fabbed in 1966, why is this perf pattern refered to as an Espada perf pattern? It would seem to be most correct in refering to this perforation as a Miura perf pattern. Just a thought.

    Hopefully all Miura fans are making plans to attend Pebble Beach.
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    #4523 joe sackey, Aug 6, 2008
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    Craig:

    The seats you have posted are those of Johnny Marriott's P400 chassis number 0706.

    This perforated pattern on the seat inserts was used on the 1967 production P400 such as Colin Gilmour-Merchant's car below ('OPW 8 F'), whenever leather was specified. When vinyl (Skai) was specified, either the plastic basket-weave or cloth was used.

    You will note that Colin's early car is also completely original so I think it is fair to Colin to say that his seats are just as significant!

    I can think of three other 1967 production cars that have interiors similar which remain un-restored and original. The latest car I have recorded with leather inserts that are perforated is 3288 which was built in January 1968 and supplied to Jake "The Snake" Kaplan. I sold this car to Tony Olisoff in New Zealand last year and the interior remains 100% original.

    It is referred to by many as the "Espada perforations" simply because it was used more prolifically in Espada production and therefore it is more commonplace to see them in an Espada whilst it is truly rare to spot them in a Miura. Either way, its just a moniker or a nickname so it doesn't matter how one wishes to refer to these items, providing one knows when they were used and on which cars.

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