360 Exhaust Manifold Cracks

After reading all of these posts one thing becomes clear: If you don't drive the car, things don't break in the warranty period. I've got about 10k on my 430, and will have about 20k on it when the warrant expires. If I'm going to have a problem, it will be before then.

However, these are emission devices. In California, we have an 8 year warranty.

Art

 

Here is a link on the SEMA site that has some good advice for dealing with manufacturers.

http://sema.org/main/semaorghome.aspx?ID=50096

EPA document that defines what is covered under an emissions warranty, includes exhaust manifold
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/epg/b91001.pdf

Another EPA document describing what is covered and for how long (8 years/80,000 mi)

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/warr95fs.pdf

Good Luck.

 

The third link states that exhaust manifolds are included.

Further, exhaust manifolds are covered according to the owners warranty and service book on page I 3. Specifically they are covered for 8 years or 80k miles.

Robert

 

Geez, all this talk about cracked exhaust manifolds has started to get me worried. I have an 07 430 and just wondering aside from taking it to the dealer, etc. are there any noticeable sounds, etc. that indicate a cracked exhaust manifold? Will I get a CEL as a result of one?

I do hear a buzzing noise around 4500 rpms sort of like a loose heat shield or something buzzing back in/around the exhaust? Everything is stock (no pulled valves, etc.), so any ideas what that sound is? If I hold the gas right around 4500 RPMS or so (especially in 1st or 2nd gear), there's this noticeable buzzing noise that will go away as the RPMS drop. I cant tell whether or not it's still there above 4500 simply b/c I only hear the loud scream of the exhaust.

Could this be related to an exhaust manifold issue?

 

Also the SEMA link has a lot of info about fighting warranty denials based on after maket parts. SEMA has a strong interest in this area, obviously.

 

brian:

All that info is availble in the discovery in john's case.

Art

 

I don't know but believe it is quite recent. I presume any dealer would have that info.

Dave

 

I read the link and my 2005 430 warranty booklet and the only specified parts in both sources for the 8 year/80K coverage are cats, ecu's and diagnostic computers. All the other parts are required to have only a 2 year/24K warranty. Ferrari's warranty booklet mirrors the EPA document except that other parts are warranted for 3 years not 2. My book explicitly lists manifolds under the 2 year requirement.

Dave

 

My 360 warranty for California lists exhausts manifold for 7 years/70K miles. So there is some variance according to model and year.

 

I guess Ferrari has decided to make it tougher over the years! My car is a '99 360 and thats what my warranty card states, so it must have changed, sorry.

Robert

 

Both were settled out of court and with confidentiality agreements. I do not believe a suit was even filed in either.

 

Getting new manifolds is easy...... if you have an otherwise stock exhaust system. If it is not stock, well that is another matter. Getting consequential damages is another matter as well and that is where the real damage has been happening.

 

Short of looking at the manifolds, is there anything else one could look for? What is the warranty for 360 spider, 8 years or 80K miles?

 

I just talked to a few dealers and only one gave me a firm answer as far as when Ferrari started using the new design exhaust manifolds from the new supplier. It seems very late '07 they started using the new exhaust manifolds so I'm relieved mine has the new design since my 430 is an '08. It seems the old ones had 4 tubes going into one tube while the new ones have 4 going into two then going into one. I hope it does the trick in finally solving the cracked exhaust manifold situation.

 

It seems to depend on whether your system is original factory or not.

 

More people are seeing this
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=216734

 

So where can a person buy aftermarket manifolds for a 360?

 

Brian,

Do the manifolds crack on the 575's also, especially with aftermarket exhausts without the bypass installed? Any experience here?

 

Why does it seem that Ferrari enjoys ****ing over their loyal customers? They don't have anymore replacement 360 engines? And have few parts to repair them? WOW! You would think such a good company could make proper exhaust manifolds when lesser names like Honda seem to be able to do it just fine. Also, you would assume they would have all sorts of extra parts to help out Ferrari owners with fixing their cars later on down the road with the prices these cars carry. Rediculous!

 

Have not seen it yet but have on 456 and 550. Have a 550 in the shop now that needs manifolds but have not yet determined how many. Did all 4 on a 456 a while back.

 

Maybe you should stick with Hondas then.

 

Are these cracks that common at 10k miles? I do not see a whole lot of people complaining about them on here.. I mean with thousands of 360 modena's out there what is the real percentage of this?

 

This is a little off topic, but exactly how bad is this issue on the 355? Relatively speaking, I would have to assume that this issue on the 360 and 430 is small compared to the volume of complaints and failures on the 355. These things can be blown out of proportion like the 355 valve guides and it can evolve into an old wive's tale after a while that this is a serious and widespread issue afflicting most, if not all, cars.

Exactly how widespread are these types of issues? Hey, I'm all for discounting a purchase on a F355/360/430 to account for the cost to replace them in the near future, but are we talking about a 1/10, 1/100, or 1/1000 chance?

 

With all of the 360s on the road worldwide, what will become of this model in 15 years when high-milege cars are the norm and factory parts dwindle? Many parts, I believe, are still available for 60s cars...are these ALL aftermarket or is this a new Ferrari cost cutting measure?

 

When the car gets to be a full model old parts availability becomes spotty. When it gets to be old enough there are so many aftermarket repros it gets easier. It has always been that way. Ferrari will never change.

Their attitude, despite all the lip service being served up in the name of the Classiche (or Classheash if you will) program is "If you weren't such a cheap bast##d you would buy a new car and quit complaining".

Like I said....They will never change.