Issue w/ my Ferrari purchased at Ferrari of Newport beach

You're wrong.
You are talking about case law and Rick is talking about reality.

I have seen Ferraris with shipping damage so bad it could have been in a destruction derby. Fixed in N.J. by blind bondo slingers and painted by Stevie Wonder. They do not take the cars to the high bidder.

NEVER EVER declared by FNA.

Happens every week, week in, week out.

I remember a silver 575 that was so bad the owner wouldn't accept delivery. That one theentire front end and rear end had been reconstructed. It was a fright. Fixed so badly some repaired areas never got paint over the bondo.

A fair number of cars get damaged in shipping. Do you think Ferrari would discount them to sell them? It is the only way they would get rid of them.

FNA once had the whole rear yard parked with brand spanking new 360's get flooded in a big storm. If you have ever been there it is a whole floor level below the street. The water was high enough that several of the cars floated into the wall. We were promised those cars would be shipped to South America to be sold to the poor unsuspecting saps down there. Nope...Guess again. Got sold right here to the saps in the U.S.

Think they told any of those buyers?

We are after all talking about Ferrari. The Omnipotent Ferrari Spa cannot afterall be expected to abide by silly rules and regulations in the New World.

That is for peons and other low class types.

 

Hello hello.

 

Awesome! He's back

 

Another example of our great the legal system at work...Gore should have stopped at McDonald's and have a "hot" cup of coffee along the way!

If you bought to drive it and everything is straight - keep it. if you bought it as an investment return it. A good dealer will, if you provide the evidence a discount of some form to account for the reduced value, however; if it is a consignment they may not be a flexible...

Good luck

 

The man is back! Tired of reading archives - hope we get fresh material!

 

Just long enough to tell Art he's wrong.

Someone needs to do it once in a while.

 

One of my best friends bought a new Aston Martin last year. When he bought it the car had just come off the transport still covered in protective plastic.

My friend kept the car for about 6 months and put about 1,500 miles on it and then sold it.

The car never spent the night outdoors and no one keeps their car nicer than my friend.

The dealer that bought it called him when it was shipped to them and tried to back out of the purchase stating the car was a complete repaint. The car had never been touched...

Just make sure you are getting good advice.

This same friend had a F40 that he bought a few years ago that had 2,000 miles on it when he purchased it from the first owner. The first owner had the car repainted. The first owner stated he felt like Ferrari did a poor job of painting (they do) and wanted a nicer finish, so I would not assume anything yet....

When you go to the factory they have entire area reserved just for cars coming off the line that need paint work.

If there is no damage, you probably have a nicer car than one that has not been painted!

 

What is the normal commission for a cosignment car? Obviously I don't expect Newport Beach to dip into their pocket, but they could at least give you the profit they made on the sale as a sign of good faith. Chances are the 360 was on cosignment because the owner was upgrading...so the dealership made money on that sale-

 

Every manufacturer has a complete paint and body shop at the port to correct problems with shipping. However I do not think this is your issue. I was just at Ferrari of Newport Beach to stop by and see Pat, but he was off that day. Does not seem like something they would do. Have your friend at the highline store get out the paint gauge and check out the readings.

 

not sure if posting the issue here is the best way to get resolution from the dealer, but here is my experience.

when I was in school, I was a new car sales manager for a volvo dealership. When you are taught to spot paint, you soon realise what a huge percentage of new and used cars have paint work, or imperfect factory paint on them. Its kind of a curse. I which I could now be happy with imperfections, but I spot them too easy now. About once every 6 months, we would get a car fresh off the truck and you could tell it had panel(s) repainted. However, if this paint job has overspray on the seals, then I highly doubt this was a factory repaint. This is the easiest way to spot that someone cut corners. Some seals are easy to pull back, but others require the removal of the windows. I have to admit it is strange with your car that the windshield was pulled out, but that there is overspray on other parts. I suspect the windshield replacement was unrelated to the repaint because of this.

Some people feel like others in this thread that there is nothing wrong with aftermarket paint if it isn't repairing damage. Others (like myself) would prefer a car with some imperfections or road rash without the repaint. Ultimately, if there is nothing"wrong" with the car, and you are happy with it, drive it and don't look back. When you go to sell it, people will try to devalue it based a repaint, or the need for repaint, or whatever.

Drive it and enjoy it.

Matt

 

My thoughts exactly!

 

Don't be silly. FNA and Ferrari SpA would not for a second risk not following regulations. It's just not worth it.

Repairs done when a car is new from the factory, before it is made available for sale, are not required to be disclosed.

 

Perhaps the original owner is here and would be willing to clear all ?'s up...............

 

That would be too easy...nothing like a good page turner.

 

If the car has been repainted, and it's easy to tell, that's not good. Was it done because of an accident, or just some paint issues. I'd do more digging before I hung it up on the car.

 

I feel your pain. However, if you have overspray on rubber seals, it IS easy to tell. That doesn't sound like the kind of paint job someone that loves the car and wanted to make it 'perfect' would do. More like someone that just wanted to spruce it up quick and cheap, or hide something.

I repainted my 328; I tore it down to a shell to do it right.

Just my 2 cents.

 

Keep the car, ask the dealer to help with the spruce-up. It's hard to find a nice car without some sort of issue and as you said, it's not easy to tell, it's quite likely that FoNB didn't dig hard enough to find it.

It's just a car, albeit a nice one, and the price you paid, the experience you've had (indicating it is what you like and runs extremely well with no other issues than this seeminly minor cosmetic one) seems like you did fine. Just because a car's had paint doesn't always mean it's hiding something more sinister...

 

Ask for a 10% refund, take 5%. There was a Stradale recently that had a cosmetic only repaint and sold for about 10% less than it would have were it clean.

Regardless, drive it all the time until it really needs a new repaint and then get it done right!

 

Well, someone is lying if the car is truely a 1 owner car.... overspray is not something which would occur at the factory level....especially since it is 7yrs old, you would think that the paint would have come off the rubber gaskets....

As for the value, you can't compare it to a Stradale, which are limited in numbers. There are dozens of 360 coupes available so the discount would need to be at least 10% if not more....

 

He is talking about a Ferrari here ...Not a Porsche.

I have personally inspected hundreds of Ferraris being delivered brand new and overspray on rubber is in their repertoire. The fit and finish is terrible when side by side with any other high end car.

Since the new paint shop has been built (his car was long gone by then) things have improved but factory in house damage and shipping damage still happens.

Quit drinking the Koolaid. Ferrari is not perfect. Next to almost any other car company they are sloppy. Always have been ...Always will be. They do not care, to them it is acceptable.

 

Brian, thanks for sharing insight that very few can provide.

I'm very interested in the outcome of this issue. Not sure that I'd be unhappy with a new paint job, as long as it's a good one. I'd be fuming if it turns out that the car has body work.

 

Brian, if you keep telling the truth, well, just watch out for those black helicopters.

Folks, Brian is so much on the money that it is not even funny. Fit and finish (or product testing for that matter) have NEVER been high on Ferrari's list. Does anybody remember the problems that some of the first Enzo buyers had with their cars?

And this is not a recent thing. I don't remember the year, but one guy wrote an article in R&T about taking delivery of a new, I think, 275 GTS. To say that the car, as delivered, was a kit car understates the issue. It was a kit car without instructions.

In my case, in 2004, I took delivery of a brand-damn-new Challenge Stradale. To date, it remains as one of the best cars that I have ever driven. (The other was a F430, but I digress.) However, the brand new paint job was a bad joke. The paint was so thin that it didn't even cover the black undercoating in a few spots. Moreover, one day at the track cost me $1,000 because the entire front end had to be repainted.

The reality is that owning and driving a Ferrari means that you better be prepared to lift your leg high because you're gonna pay and pay and pay.

Dale