Uh oh...Roy's GTR has to go!!!

kevin, not arguing any of what you said but i am not insinuating anything about my case. all i am saying is that roy should disclose the fact that the car has had fire damage and not wait for the buyer to ask him. that's all.

as for my challenge car, yes it has had body panels changed but to be honest with you if i was going to sell the car and if it had fire history i be sure to disclose that first hand to the buyer.

 

I don't agree with that. In the world of race car buying, half the cars out there have had damage that isn't disclosed and because of the nature of racing, that could range from an A-arm being bent in an off up to the whole chassis being twisted after a huge collision; you can't go down a 600-point check list of questions to ask to ensure everything is disclosed. Anything significant or that would make the car differ from OEM in performance or handling should be disclosed; the buyer of my last race car knew it had an off that required suspension repair from the buyer before I even bought it, and about the engine issues I'd had, because I felt it something that should be made known. On the other hand, I've been on the receiving end of buying a race car with 15 more hours on the engine than what I was told which could have left me with a blown engine and an expensive repair; so even when you ask it may not be the truth; getting back on topic, as far as what I've seen, Roy has always been truthful about cars he's sold that have or have had issues.

 

i can show you a handfull that have had issues also. thats not the point here. the point here is that a fire damage should be disclosed upfront

 

No, the point seems to be that they did disclose it to you but your opinion is that rather than tell a prospective buyer about it, they should post it on ebay.

 

wrong again they did not disclose it to me during the first email when i inquired about the car. it was disclose on the second email after i started to ask more questions and did some research. you dont think that there are any prospective buyers on ebay? so why post it? he is not going to sell it on ebay but the prospective buyers are there

btw lambotalk.com belongs to you?

 

Well, until now you've not given a time line of what was disclosed and when so I was wrong because of your having not given any details on when they told you and what they told you; the past two pages probably could have been avoided by simply stating what occurred and asking Roy why it was not disclosed upon initial contact which would now be a valid question.

If you flip the words in that domain you posted around, you do get a site that belongs to me, I can't post it because fchat doesn't like it and has it listed as a banned word.

 

yes it could have been avoided if it was disclosed but if you look back at this thread i was not the individual that opened the can of worms. please look at page 2 , post #35 & 36. i just let roy and kevin handle it.

 

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It is a very rare car, is used for racing and as such runs a high risk from fire/accident damage. I see no need to disclose this in the advert as questions from potential buyers will be asked, I believe Roy would answer them.

F50 GT, Challenge cars, CS's, F40's etc etc, they are all cars that are rare and many have histories, goes without saying but no need to list every dent and scratch or fire for that matter when selling. If asked then answers should be given.

People if they know what they are looking at should know whether a history is there or whether they should expect one.

 

how can you put a dent and a scratch in the same catagory as fire?

 

lol

 

That sounds entirely reasonable. I wouldn't have expected your first reply to be "We do take trades, oh, this race car was on fire at some point" any more than I think anyone else would have.

 

please enlighten me as who i spoke to in new york that has bought 30 cars from you. do you think i realy care who you sell a car to? as for l-power thats your beef with them dont get me involved .

 

kevin this is how it went down:

my post on f chat:
roy, kevin, who perfomed the service and how long ago? is everything documented? how many of them are acutaly still around and what was the msrp on the car. it is a very nice track car. i might be intersted

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your pm in respond:

Eli,

The GTR was serviced by Steve at Driven Exotics about a year ago...we have all of the records. He had the car for almost 8 months performing the work we wanted done, perhaps longer. It's #18 of 30. We believe there are only the three of them in the US, ours and LV Eric has 2, neither of Erics are for sale. MSRP should have been around 332k given they were built by the factory for the racing circuit.

If you're being serious about the car, we will be happy to work with you on it.

Thanks in advance,

Kevin


please show me where did you mention the fire or any history on my first inquiry. and for some reason you missed the pm above i wonder why? how conveniently did you not post this in your response

 

reasonable because he never posted his first pm that was sent to me in his response above, that's why

 

kevin,

not beating the dead horse. you are making me out to be a liar which i am not, you are. you purposely did not post your initial pm sent to me in your time line sequence post and i just made everyone aware of it.

 

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Snore.

So what are you replacing it with Roy? I couldn't care less about the GTR, I want to know what the secret car is.

 

My feet smell...anybody here have the same problem??...Oh and the GTR is a hell of a car regardless of the fire. I gues 0846 is just a pile of junk becuas it was in a fire??

 

Is the car in question the one pictured in post #52? If it is I wouldn't say it was a pile of junk but telling a potential buyer it had some fire damage to the left quarter panel is an understatement.

 

disclose the fire...

 

Why waste time on a "tire kicker", talk is cheap, buy it or not, your choice.