http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1632121/great_show_man/
Great driving. I saw this around a year or two ago. The vid I saw actually had the Dukes Of Hazzard song playing over it.
when there's a will, there's a way... question for the law enforcement types, is there such a thing as excessive use of force with the patrol cars? I see a lot of these clips/shows on TV and it seems like beyond the PIT maneuver there is little contact between the patrol car and the suspect's car. Can an officer ram a suspects car or is that excessive? I'm assuming officers aren't responsible for the damage to their patrol car in these situations.
Not sure I understand the question----You can't just ram someone unless deadly force is authorized.. The PIT when done right has very little damage if any on the vehicles at all and is used to stop the vehicle with as little damage to life and property.. Ramming a vehicle could potentially hurt someone pretty bad, so unless the bad guy is shooting at or has committed a violent felony, ramming the car is usauuly not an option.... PIT training is awesome, I spent 4 hours getting spun and spinning cars one day. We had 12 guys in our training class and 4 of them at some point threw up during the training. Once or twice is not bad, but after playing the bad guy and getting spun like 10 times in a row within like 15 minutes starts to make you nauseous...
thanks Rob, yes I was looking for a clarification on when deadly force would be authorized/justified. Obviously you can't go around ramming cars with your Crown Vic on a whim, but when you pull the PIT three times and the dude keeps going is that justification (he's a danger to others and less lethal means didn't work), or is the level of force based on the offense that led to him being chased (i.e. one set of rules for a robbery suspect, different set of rules for a murder suspect).
It must have been a 6 cylinder Mustang, I would think a 5.0 could give a cruiser a better run than that. Great driving though!
i think that guy has a future in stunt driving ahead of him...if he gets out of jail. does anyone know the backstory to this? i've seen it on youtube before, but could never find anything about it.
What's impressive? He spun with a lot of room around, then he whacked a wall and couldn't get off of it, then spun the car through grass and was fortunate to have asphalt on the other side. I didn't see any impressive driving at all. Anyone can drive fast in a straight line with several empty lanes with very few cars. If you guys are commenting on the car continuing to drive after the PIT's, then that is even less impressive, no real damage is done to the car from PITing it.
...it has bothered me for years that agencies refer to an automobile much like a gun - a weapon. So I do not understand if someone is fleeing why lethal force is not used or at least a police vehicle isn't used sooner as a devise to halt the chase. I've seen chases where the police actually move their vehicles out of the way if they have the suspect cornered. The policy of not ramming (PIT) because it could cause potential harm seems to be hypocritical to the general public/civilions. Use lethal force once a vehicle runs a signalized intersection, stop sign, exceeds posted speed by (x), causes other automobile accidents or call the damn thing off. It should be declared as a "felony flee" and dealt with accordingly or terminated altogether.
Probably doing 75+ mph when he was spun, it was a highway and he was easily losing traffic. It was a miracle he didn't go into the wall either time, all it would have taken was one tire catching and he would have went it. Whether it was driving skill, an anomaly attributed to the vehicle, or dumb luck it was still impressive.
Basically, yes--exactly what you said here...Now fleeing and eluding in some states is a felony, so different rules apply for different jurisdictions--I am and can only speak about this area I work in MD...
Chase policies across the country vary widely from chase for anything to chase only for felonies to no chasing at all period...Chase policies are drilled into our heads from the day we start the academy.. Liabilty, etc.... Policy is set for each department--on top of that the supervisor for that area basically has the call as to what is done or not done...Only speaking of my department--can't speak for other departments and what there policies may be..Alot of factors get weighed in mere seconds as to whether continue the pursuit, end the pursuit, back off and follow, etc..Traffic conditions, road conditions, speeds, violations, passengers, crossing over jurisdictions, etc, etc, etc...The supervisor has to be well aware of these things at all times...
That's what I hear. I've been wanting to ask 285ferrari a question about that as well. People like to say that a Ferrari or Porsche (even referring to "slower" models) could outrun a police cruiser because they don't think they're that much faster than the production cars they come from. But, just how more powerful are police motors compared to others? Can something like a base 911 or maybe, an older 348 really outrun a police cruiser with no problems? This is ignoring the fact that police have radios or synchronized maneuvers. I asked 2 Dallas PD officers, and though they didn't say exact numbers or anything, but they told me that their Chargers definitely have a bigger, more powerful engine than the Chargers you see on Dodge's lots.
that clears things up for me. by the way, I intend on showing the other clips on that site to other folks I know learning to drive - an excellent example of why defensive of driving is so critical in so many different situations. Great site!!
Speaking of Crown Vics only--they are slow--no more powerful motor wise than a stock one, just beefier suspension and altenators. Add all the weight and a police CV is probably slower than grandmom's CV..
I agree--------Defensive driving classes are very important, I am a certified DD Instructor.. Knock on wood, been driving for 22 years and have only once hit a deer, other than that, never been involved in a crash
