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  1. 8KRedRacer

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  3. jimshadow

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    WHAT...no GT4's?? :) BOO!

    Just kidding...this is very cool!

    JIM
    1974 308GT4 SN 08140, Engine #0048
     
  4. 134282

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    Very cool, thank you for all the photos - I'm sure Kare will appreciate them too. Can you tell us how many miles are on your car? When did you restore it...? How long have you owned it...? Is it a US model or a European model...?

    Wow, that's an early GT4...! Have you had it for a long time...? How many miles are on it...? Is it US or European...? Do you know the date of production if it's a US car...?
     
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    F106AS29257.....................308 GTS 1979 U.S. carburetor model i owned from 1987-1991----------originally black tan, when i owned it red tan
     
  6. 8KRedRacer

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  7. Papa Duck

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    Here is my information:

    1981 GTSi USA/LHD
    ZFFAA02A4B0036947
    Production date: 4/21/1981
    Engine #: F106B 040 01225
    Black with red leather
    Original delivery: 11/30/1981 from American Service Center, Arlington, VA
     
  8. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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  9. jimshadow

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  10. jimshadow

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    AFAIK, its the earliest GT4 in the US. There is one in Grand Rapids that is close to mine <08180> but none that I can find earlier than 08140. HANS started a "how many GT4's are here" thread and mine was #2 on the list. #1 is in Europe...I forget the SN.

    The car is a European car originally sold in Italy. It currently has 70,000KMS on it and it was born in 4/74.

    JIM
     
  11. Jdubbya

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    '78 308GTS
    Chassis # 23421
    Jan 1978 build date
    Engine F106AE-00078
    Gearbox # F106AL-308L
    Assembly # 70 A

    Interesting that I had never noticed the number on the coil bracket. I had heard about the extra number tied to the chassis number on the passenger framework, but it's not there on the older cars.
     
  12. Newman

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    79 308GTB
    chassis 29007
    august 79 build date
    engine number F106AE 01407
    gearbox 5260 F106AL
    assembly number 885A

    confirmed matching numbers with heritage certificate
     
  13. Dbone

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    '78 308GTS
    Chassis # 23515
    Jan 1978 build date
    Engine F106AE-00066
    Gearbox # need to get to
    Assembly # 91 A
     
  14. Artvonne

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    #214 Artvonne, Aug 23, 2008
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    77 308 GTB
    ser. #21181
    build #277
    original body color Montecarlo Blu 20-A-548, currently red
    original interior color Pella Blu VM 890 (black)
    d.o.b. 03/29/1977
    engine F106A-02238
    gearbox F106AL-2252
    confirmed colors, motor and gearbox original to car via heritage cert.

    77 308 GTB
    ser. #21645
    build #311
    original (and current) body color Rosso Chiaro 20-R-190
    interior Pella Nera VM 8500 (all black with tan seats)
    d.o.b. 05/30/1977
    engine F106A-02393
    gearbox F106AL-2403
    confirmed colors, motor and gearbox original to car via heritage cert.
     
  15. Beta Scorpion

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    Any of you GT4 owners have these numbers. I don't recall seeing any (maybe not looking in the right places??).
     
  16. Artvonne

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    Look around by the distributor coil bracket. On both my GTB's the build number is also cast or ground into the rear fiberglass wheel wells in 2 inch numbers, and can be seen clearly from within the engine bay from either side. It also is written with magic marker on the inside door panels, roof panel, dash panel, and some of the fabric material, as well as physically stamped with number punch's into the headlight door asssemblies, interior metal trim pieces, deck and trunk lids, inner door structure, etc... Truly a handbuilt machine.

    They are no longer available, but the heritage certificate Ferrari once offered confirmed the original colors and major components as being original to the chassis. If the numbers you provided Ferrari didnt jive with thier records, they wouldnt supply you a certificate. I was very lucky to have been able to get the second one just before they pulled the plug on the process.
     
  17. Jdubbya

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    I was able to get a heritage certificate as well. Mine is all original mechanics but different colors. Turns out it was originally Nero exterior and Pelle Rossa interior.
     
  18. 134282

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    Very cool, thank you. What color blue is that...? It looks awesome...!

    Fantastic, thank you...!

    Thank you so much...!

    J, thank you. The car is red/tan, right...? Did you buy it off of eBay in 2003...?

    Newman, thank you. What color is this car...?

    Paul, you own both of these cars...? Thank you for the information.
     
  19. Brian Harper

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    #219 Brian Harper, Aug 25, 2008
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    It is all over my GT4. On the coil bracket, inside the doors, on the back of the rear seat, on the back side of various interior panels. It seems like everytime I take something apart on the interior the number is there somewhere.

    Here is a pic of the lower edge of the door with the interior panel removed.
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  20. Beta Scorpion

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    Excellent, thanks Brian. Do they all match?
     
  21. 134282

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    Euro cars don't get dates of production stamped onto the data plates like US cars do. In fact, I'm pretty sure US cars are the only cars that get dates of production. When a US car is shipped to the US, its original date of production is added to a sticker/label by the conversion company (e.g., Amerispec, etc.). So there are converted, Euro-spec cars running around here in the US, and they have stickers that act as makeshift data plates. These stickers contain the date of production.

    Alan, are both of these cars US cars...? Any more info...?

    Bill, your 348 ts is an early car, right...? Built in August, 1989...? Outside of F40s, the earliest car I can see that got a five-digit assembly number on one of those silver plates is 82748 (some 140 cars after yours), a 348 tb (assembly number 00004). It's possible that your car is pre-five-digit assembly number.

    However that doesn't mean that it doesn't have an assembly number at all.


    For anyone interested, I just found the assembly number (265) on a February, 1988 328 GTS (76295) - complete with red paint over it and everything. I'd pretty excited about this discovery and look forward to more updates to this thread.
     
  22. BigTex

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    Yea, Carb...ol' Tex jus' deals in 'dem Genuine North American spec cars..so we can swap parts and license plates...LOL!


    The third of mine is a late 1976 #20405, that's actually the only one I am driving, I can get the assembly numbers on it....
     
  23. thecarreaper

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    #223 thecarreaper, Aug 25, 2008
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    great post Carbon! and timely too! i just pm'ed someone with a euro 308 GTB QV like mine, to find out where the "plate" is with the build date. he did not have one on the drivers side door either. ( as you said, euro cars do not)

    please pm me if you have any info on my new to me 1983 308 GTB *44297* car was not modified and was brought in "exempt". it has all of the EPA, DOT, US Customs papers with it, along with the tools / jack, manuals and service history. car wont be delivered until this weekend some time.


    this makes my 5th Ferrari, and i hope to add either a 308gt4 or a TR by the end of the year.
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    The car was red/boxer trim with cream/black interior. It's now red/boxer trim with a black interior with red inserts. Here's a few pics... old interior, new interior, exterior with new wheels, and as originally purchased (yes it was off eBay in Dec '03) with Gotti wheels. The exterior remains the same as when I bought it but with a little work done and new wheels.
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    Z F F X D 2 1 A 9 G 0 0 3 8 0 9 9
    1st digit = country of origin

    The first digit identifies the vehicle's country of origin. Italy's letter is "Z," therefore, all Ferrari VINs will begin with the letter "Z".

    Z = Italy

    2nd + 3rd digit = marque / manufacturer

    The second and third digits identify the marque and manufacturer. To date, Ferrari SpA has been assigned and used only two codes

    DF = the Dino
    FF = the Ferrari marques manufactured by Ferrari SpA.

    The Dino marque has not been produced since 1980, therefore "FF" will appear in the second and third place digits of all Ferrari VINs, unless you are looking at a Dino.

    4th digit = Engine

    With only 26 letters available, it was necessary to recycle some of the letters. Always consider the entire 17 digit VIN to determine the type of engine, especially the sixth and seventh digits

    A = 308 2-valve injected (U.S.A.model)
    B = 308 2-valve carb wet sump (Euro.model)
    C = 308 2-valve carb dry sump (Euro.model) + 328 European
    D = 512 Boxer carbureted
    E = 400 V-12 fuel injected
    F = 308 Australia + 348 U.S.A. / Japan
    G = 308 2-valve carbureted USA/Japan + F40 European
    H = 308 2-valve injected European
    J = 512 Boxer injected
    K = 208 Turbocharged European + 348 European
    L = 308 4-valve European + 512 TR European
    M = 308 4-valve U.S.A. 1993 + F40 U.S.A.
    P = F355 + 288 GTO
    R = 348 U.S.A.
    S = Testarossa U.S.A./Japan + 456
    T = Testarossa European
    U = 308 4-valve U.S.A. ( 1984-1985 )
    V = 512M
    W = 328 European
    X = 328 U.S.A. / Japan
    Y = 412 V-12
    Z = 550 Maranello

    5th digit = Safety system

    A front 3-point inertia belts
    B front 3-point inertia belts; rear 3-point non-inertia belts
    C front 3-point inertia belts; rear 2-point inertia belts
    D front 3-point inertia belts; rear 3-point inertia belts
    G passive restraint system
    P front 3-point inertia belts and air bags; rear inertia belts
    M passive restraint system
    N automatic passive restraint system
    R front 3-point inertia belts and air bags

    6th + 7th digits = vehicle model / body type

    01 308 GT4 (ZDF) & 308 GTBi (ZFF)
    02 308 GTBi
    03 308 GTB
    04 308 GTS
    05 512 BB
    06 400i automatic
    07 400i 5-speed
    08 Mondial
    09 512BBi
    10 208 Turbo (B)
    11 208 Turbo (S)
    12 308 GTB Quattrovalvole
    13 308 GTS Quattrovalvole
    14 Mondial Quattrovalvole Coupe
    15 Mondial Quattrovalvole Cabriolet
    16 288GTO
    17 Testarossa
    19 328 GTB
    20 328 GTS
    21 3.2 Mondial Coupe
    24 412 automatic
    25 412 5-speed
    26 3.2 Mondial Cabriolet
    27 GTB Turbo
    32 Mondial T Coupe
    33 Mondial T Cabriolet
    34 F40
    35 348 B
    36 348 S
    40 F512M
    41 F355 Berlinetta
    42 F355GTS
    43 348 Spider
    44 456 GT
    48 F355 Spider
    49 550 Maranello

    8th digit = market

    A USA (left-hand drive)
    B Europe (left-hand drive)
    C UK (right-hand drive)
    D Australia (right-hand drive)
    J other left-hand drive
    S other left-hand drive
    T Middle East (left-hand drive)

    9th digit = check digit (used by law enforcement agencies)

    The ninth digit is a check digit used by law enforcement agencies to ensure that the VIN is valid. By using a very complicated formula involving the entire VIN, a law enforcement officer can determine if the VIN is correct for the vehicle being checked. Occasionally a letter, rather than a number, will appear in this space, but it will usually be a number between 1 and 9. In some cases, this number will be a zero on vehicles that were built for markets outside of the United States.

    10th digit = Is used to designate the year model for vehicles produced for the U.S. market.

    A = 1980
    B = 1981
    C = 1982
    D = 1983
    E = 1984
    F = 1985
    G = 1986
    H = 1987
    I = NOT USED
    J = 1988
    K = 1989
    L = 1990
    M = 1991
    N = 1992
    O = NOT USED
    P = 1993
    Q = NOT USED
    R = 1994
    S = 1995
    T = 1996

    11th digit = assembly plant

    The eleventh digit is used to designate the company's plant location where the vehicle was produced. This digit should always be zero, since all Ferraris are produced in Maranello, Italy.

    0 = Maranello, Italy

    12th --> 17th digit = production number

    The twelfth through seventeenth digits are production numbers in sequential order. This number should allow you to determine when the vehicle was produced in the production run.

    When purchasing a used, Ferrari one should carefully compare the VIN against the different vehicle compoments.

    If the VIN indicates that the vehicle should have a fuel injected 4-valve motor, while in fact it has a carbureted 2-valve motor, you can safely assume that the motor has been changed out in this vehicle. This would adversely affect the overall value of the vehicle and your future investment.

    It is very important that the VIN is correctly shown on all documents, (registration title, insurance papers, etc.) concerning your vehicle.

    The data on this page was obtained in part from the 59th annual edition of the National Automobile Theft Bureau handbook for Law Enforcement and an article which appeared in the Ferrari Market Letter.
     

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