Ron : Hamilton the best in F1

All that is fine, because for whatever reason they believed it and had thier reasons. You think Hamilton has a reason to believe he shouldn't be number two to anyone, even a 7 time champ? It's not the same thing and you know it.

 

Yeah but it's annoying. Everytime he compares himself to Senna I wanna be sick, lol. FA, I can deal with becuase he speaks his mind and doesn't give a crap what anyone thinks. At least I know he's being honest, unlike most people in F1. Hammy is just full of shyte and himself or at least that how he comes off to me.......

 

Post of the month.

 

You are never going to like him.
Period.
Too bad; he is talented, charming, down to earth (so far, even with his current success ), and the best thing that happened to F1 in recent memory.
Your red headed step-child.

 

I don't see a problem with Lewis not wanting to be relegated to number 2 status, even if his teammate is MS. Ayrton Senna said "if you are no longer going for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver, because we are competing, competing to win, and the main motivation for all of us is to compete for victory, not to come 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th, I race to win". Ayrton did quite a lot of talking himself, even as a young rookie driver. I see no problem with Lewis saying he's gonna push, and not settle for 2nd like an Irvine or Barrichello.

I think you have to ask yourself why you have a problem with Lewis and his statements. He certainly isn't the only F1 driver to speak in a confident manner, even as a young driver. So why him? I wonder...

 

David and Jim,

That's thing, I don't dislike him. Some of the things quoted to him are annoying to me and a few others and that's ok. Do I favor Alonso, yes. Do I hate Hamilton no, I just think it's far too early for him to talk out of his a** like he tends to do sometimes. Win a title or two then say all you want about how great you are, otherwise walk it before you talk it. It's that simple.

 

Yeah, but he's right. I don't care much for RD, but he IS right.

I think it's more like 90% car today.

Ferrari went after a top driver - Mansell - look what happened.
Ferrari went after a top driver in an underfinanced team - Alesi - look what happened.
Ferrari went after Prost - look what happened.
Not every 'top' driver that went to Ferrari ended up a WDC for Ferrari.

QUESTION - refresh my memory - who is the last driver to leave Ferrari and become a WDC with another team in the subsequent seasons ?
I am not counting Lauda, who retired, and came back several years later to a top team.

 

Agree for the most part, except that even when you're a two times champion or whatever, there's still something called modesty. I don't like it when people blow their own horns. Hamilton should stop that. Otherwise he's doing fine.

 

I don't remember him comparing himself to Senna or to anyone else, do you have references to any material that demonstrates otherwise? Even on here I don't recall posts from LH admirers that made any such comparisons, most posts referring to comparisons have been from LH detractors pointing out that he's no AS, MS, etc. Methinks they protest too much.

I believe there has been a change over the last few months, some who were suggesting last season that LH was no more than a run of the mill driver in a very good car now appear to accept that he is rather better than that, although they may still be reluctant to go further at this point in time.

 

He's won every series he's race in since he was nine, usually in rookie or sophmore year. He won GP2 in his rookie... how many years has Pantano been in GP2?

if you need more reasons...

2006

GP2 Series: Champion with ART Grand Prix; five wins; six fastest laps; first double win at the Nürburgring; pole position and winner of Monaco GP2 race; second double win at Silverstone in home race; seven second place and two third place podiums
2005

F3 Euroseries: Champion with ASM F3 Dallara-Mercedes; 15 wins; 10 fastest laps; 13 pole positions; secured championship with four races remaining; winner of F3 Masters at Zandvoort including pole position and lap record; winner of the Monaco F3 Grand Prix including two pole positions and two race wins and one fastest lap; winner of Pau F3 Grand Prix in France; two pole positions, two race wins and two fastest laps
2004 F3 Euroseries: fifth; one win and third place at the Norisring and the Nürburgring; winner of Bahrain F3 Superprix
2003

British Formula Renault: Champion; 10 wins; nine fastest laps and 11 pole positions; Champion before final two rounds
2002

British Formula Renault: third; three wins; three fastest laps; three pole positions; Formula Renault EuroCup Championship fifth; one win three podiums; competed in four out of nine rounds
2001 British Formula Renault Winter Series; fifth overall.
2000

Formula A: European Champion; winner of all four rounds; World Cup Champion; awarded Karting World Number 1; winner of Masters at Bercy; Founder member of BRDC 'Rising Star' membership
1999

Intercontinental A (ICA): Italian "Industrials" Champion, Junior ICA (JICA): Vice European Champion; winner Trophy de Pomposa, fourth Italian Open Championship
1998 Junior ICA (JICA): second in McLaren Mercedes Champions of the Future series; fourth in Italian Open Championship; signed by McLaren and Mercedes-Benz to Young Driver Support Programme
1997

Junior Yamaha: Super One British Champion; winner of McLaren Mercedes Champions of the Future series
1996

Cadet Class: winner of McLaren Mercedes Champions of the Future series; Sky TV Kart Masters Champion; Five Nations Champion
1995

Cadet Class: Super One British Champion; STP Champion

The word that is pretty consistent is C-H-A-M-P-I-O-N

 

I think the Senna comparison was made by Senna's sister. Luis would u happen to be from Spain?

 

Impressive...

 

So were a few others in the lower formula with a CV just as impressive and I don't remember any of them starting with McLaren. By you're logic if they prove themselves great in the lower formula then automatically they will be great in F1? I'm sure there are many people that will disagree with that, it doesn't always go that way.

 

Nope, born and raised in the USA. South American parents. Hammy brought up Senna winning in the wet at Monaco during the press conference after his win this year. Actually, IIRC Senna never won there in the wet anyway. I don't rememeber Senna's sister comparing them recently.

 

But did he suggest he was another Senna, or as good as Senna?

 

He certainly did not. Also, Senna's sister DID compare them.

"He reminds me of Ayrton as a pilot (driver) and also as a good man," Viviane Senna told the audience at the Autosport Awards attended by many of the luminaries of motor sport.

"We can see this in his eyes and his face."

http://www.motoring.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=4156797

Not liking a guy is one thing, but making false accusations about someone is certainly another. I think many Hamilton detractors don't like him for a reason they don't want to say out loud, not to imply that racerx3317 is one of those people, but it is what it is.

 

It wasn't just his CV, it was the circumstances in general that got him the drive.

I doubt McLaren expected to be front runners in 2007 at the time they signed him. In fact, most of the media was questioning Alonso's logic in switching teams while at WCC Renault. McLaren looked like they had less to lose by picking a rookie that year than they would have if they expected to be in front.

Also, by signing 2 time WDC Alonso, they could afford to bring in a promising rookie and give him a learning year while getting the team up to speed.

And as far as Hamilton's own accomplishments go, he did everything McLaren asked of him while coming up the ranks and proved to be a major talent.

IMO, it made alot more sense for McLaren to hire him based on his performances than it did for Renault to hire Piquet, or Williams to hire Coulthard in 1994, or even Benneton to hire Schumacher back in 1991.

So far he has proved everyone who backed him to be right.

 

He did not compare himself or say he was better, that would be silly, even for him. It may have been an off handed remark but he sounded, to me at least, to be comparing himself a bit. Wha.t Vivianne said about Hamilton was during an awards show, what would you expect her to say. Of course, I'm not saying she's wrong, she knew Ayrton very well and LH could very well remind her of him. It's her opinion.

I'm hard on Hamilton because I find certain things he says to be arrogant. To me, he hasn't paid his dues or won any titles to be talking how he does sometimes. It's easy to forget he still hasn't won a championship in all the hoopla, and he can still very well fizzle out. The color of his skin has nothing to do with it in my case at least. If other people feel this way, that's on them. I would hope people don't dislike him for the reason you're implying

 

That is impressive. Does anyone else one the grid have a history as good as that?

 

Even if true Luis, you really are clutching at straws with this, I don't mind your reasoning behind the fact you don't like him, arrogant, hasn't paid his due's, to me I'm at the trival nature off your gripe, IMO it give's the impression you would rather not have him in the sport.
Needs must I suppose when the devil vomits into your kettle, I like a underdog, but I try not to fly in the face of public opinion.

 

Or maybe it's because he drives for the wrong team Brian...