Italian websites seem to be confirming the Scuderia Spider's arrival...
Italian websites seem to be confirming the Scuderia Spider's arrival (http://www.autoblog.it/post/15432/ferrari-a-fine-anno-la-430-scuderia-spider/10#show_comments). I can't wait to see it. I think it's a great idea. As DM18 correctly stated (IMO) the Scud is not a dedicated track car, but a road car with excellent track abilities. If you want an F-car for the track, you get the Challenge. I'm sure that the fraction of performance lost by the spider will be easily compensated by the driving pleasure. The coupe will still be there for those who disagree.
There is no doubt about the Scuderia Spider - I will have mine before I would have a California. Scuderia Spider is a for 500 people who want a high performance Spider. Comparing it to the Scuderia is pointless. Spiders are heavier and make performance compromises - we all know that. But as Spiders go, the Scuderia Spider will be awesome
Not now. Can't drive fast enough in HK for it to be necessary. If the car makes a China trip then I will double or triple 3M and still end up having to respray the front and replace the windshield
Congrats in advance for you Scud Spider PS- Do you have any info on when it will be presented (the article suggests the Ferrrari Challenge finals in November) / start being delivered? Are you going to keep your coupe once you get the spider?
Thats interesting.. must be Ferrari Asia's doing. Spore also upping the deposit requirements... from US$30k to US$70k. Thats a big jump! Wonder why IMSS requirement is so low.
You are right - that is a big jump. No idea why HK deposit so much less than Singapore - strange. Hope it stays that way - I usually have 4 or 5 deposits rolling at any time! I already feel like I give IMSS quite a big interest free working capital loan!
Thanks. There are fchatters who will also need to be congratulated in this regard! I have heard the same thing on timing. Haven't decided yet whether to keep the Scuderia once I have my Scuderia Spider. Probably not but depends on what I think at the time. Of the 2 I think the Scuderia Spider is more for me.
Yikes! I should definitely look into applying for a Kowloon ID then! I have seen videos on youtube and heard alot about Dai Mo Shan, maybe I will go some time now that you assured its safe to go ; the South is getting boring after being around here for almost a decade.
I apologize for my short answers, I am just irritated by this Scuderia Spider. This is the wrong thread for my thoughts, because it should a celebration of your car and I shouldn't be stepping on toes. I was attracted to this thread because I also have a white 430S which arrives this month. When it comes, I'll start my own thread and you can feel free to drop by and criticize the gold wheels... ;-) I chose to not answer your question because it is pointless to my thought process. First, define "hard core"? I have a 430 Spider. Is this "hard core" enough? Probably not, I'm assuming. I see your argument but I don't agree with it. In your own words "Scuderia Spider is a for 500 people who want a high performance Spider. Comparing it to the Scuderia is pointless. Spiders are heavier and make performance compromises - we all know that. But as Spiders go, the Scuderia Spider will be awesome." I would focus heavily on your third sentence and the first phrase of your fourth. I'd disagree strongly with your second. I would also disagree with your assertion that the Scuderia is not a racing version, while fully agreeing that it is not a race car, but I can see this is just semantics. Anyway, these are my opinions!
Thank you! Where I am coming from is that I race and to me there is no common ground between a road car and a race car in my eyes. I had a 430 Challenge and I sold it because I much prefer Formula cars to touring cars for now. I find road cars very boring on the track and I find track days with road cars to be rather dangerous. I will do the odd track day if there is something appealing (like the full Shanghai F1 track in my CGT) but it is rare. Looking forward to seeing your Scud. Any white Scud is pretty great in my books. A friend and I went for lunch today and we swapped cars - I was following my Scud in his white GT-R. Scud looks fantastic on the road IMO! My friend is an accomplished gentleman driver and he was absolutely impressed by the Scuderia. He had a CS and found the advances in the Scuderia to be immense
I race as well, but it's a prepped EVO 8, hence the screename, and I wouldn't call it fully race prepped yet. Close. Interesting that you would say "no common ground". Certainly true for Formula cars (except maybe the engine), but touring cars? It seems like many true race cars are based on street cars. Thus my thought that the Scuderia is a "race version" of a street car, meaning that it has some of the mods one might make when building a race car from a street car. Certainly I hope that the TC is "race" derived! And maybe the brakes... Actually, I'm dreadfully curious as to how the Scud brakes will hold up on the track. I have the race Brembos on the EVO, and they are fantastic. I'm planning on bringing both to the track as soon as I get the Scud to flog the brakes for a day to see which are better. My money is on the EVO. I'm wondering why you find road cars boring on the track? I find it exciting to take things to their limits, even crappy slow rental cars, but I suppose it might be what kind of tracks you have available? I can imagine that a road car would be fairly dull on a circuit like Shanghai, but Monaco? Here in Northern CA we have a few great tracks, but they are sized to street cars and thus make sense.
Scuds at Mont Tremblant (extremely challenging track) have between 4 and 7k miles on them after being flogged mercilessly by instructors and participants of Basic and Advanced Course. Brakes held fine,no deterioration and no replacement was needed until they go to dealers this Fall....
That's not quite what I mean by "hold up"... although thank you, the information is helpful as to whether I replace the braking system. When I say hold up, I mean purely for the 1/2 hour of a typical club race, 12-15 laps. Most road braking systems are not designed for and will not hold up to that kind of usage. Racing is very very different from track days, even in an Advanced group. The heat builds up in the braking system and unless it is dissipated the brakes fade typically after just a few laps at race speeds. On lapping days, you can cool down by backing off a bit after a few "hot laps", and even Instructors will not do 10+ hot laps in a row. So when I say "hold up", I mean that the brakes will feel no different AT ALL from Lap 2 thru Lap 15 at 10/10ths. No fade, no slightly softer pedal, no adjustment of braking point, no difference in modulation etc.. just absolute repeatability and predictability. A simple order, but difficult for most systems to produce!
Ok. Misunderstood,these stock brakes will take the abuse of any track days but for real racing you may need a better set up or possible replacement may be needed after a race or two. But then,why race a Scuderia? A 430 Challenge or regular 430 redone for racing will do the job better and cheaper...
Prepped Evo 8 is still a road car. I went down that route a long time ago and moved on. You know the difference between a road car and a pure race car so there is no point in me going into it. Brakes are only one of the many differences but a good example. Try a 430 GT-3 that can run for hours at racing speed. A Scuderia is simply a fast and capable road car. If you enjoy it on the track, go for it. I don't - I have other much more suitable weapons. If you spend a lot of time on the track the Scuderia will be an expensive and slow option
More misunderstanding, or maybe I'm just not clear enough! I'm not going to race the Scuderia because a 430 Challenge would be a lot cheaper and better suited for the job. I'm simply wondering whether the much-touted ceramic brakes are any better than a tried and true Brembo race setup. I suspect not, but I'll certainly report my findings later!
Well I disagree with your thought that a "prepped EVO 8 is still a road car." I understand what you mean, but at a certain point a road car has been modified for racing so much that it is too uncomfortable and stiff, lumpy idley and top-end powered, to realistically drive on the road unless you are a masochist! Not to mention illegal! Yes the fundamental chassis is no different, even stiffened with cages, but to not accept that heavily modified street cars can be "race cars" is to throw away a long tradition of such cars racing, from Ferrari 250s, Porsche 911s, Shelby Cobras/Mustangs etc.. amongst others. More than 1/2 the cars at LeMans or ALMS are then not "race cars" by your definition, but try telling that to the drivers or the sponsors! In my opinion, just because a car is not a CF monocoque or tube-frame based open wheel car does not mean it is not a race car. I believe, by definition, that any car of any build that has been/could be/is raced in any kind of recognized and/or sanctioned series is a race car. Doesn't matter whether it's Schumacher's F1 car or Timo Glock's Scion tC.
No ,not clear enough. Scuderia's brakes will be fine for any track days,no matter how intense or prolonged (still a far cry from a real race) and you are right,a properly set up race car (like 430 Gt-3) would be the only way to go when someone wants to get serious. According to some racers at M.Tremblant stock CCBs will last longer then race Brembos but may not be as effective in a real race(moot point during track day).
Rose joints, changeable gear ratios optimised for the track, cooling system that can only work at race speeds, straight cut gears, sequential shift, brake vent system,... The days of drive to the track, race and drive home ended a very long time ago. Enjoy your Evo 8 and tracking your Scuderia. All I am saying is that it is not for me - I have taken a different route. To me road cars and race cars are fundamentally different and I concluded quite some time ago not to mix the 2. I did the prepped Evo route and found it very unrewarding - a slow car at great expense suitable for neither the road nor the track which was difficult to resell as a modified road car that had been raced.
Fair enough! I am perhaps more of a traditionalist than you! Although at the risk of further disagreement, I'd question your assessment that a prepped EVO8 is slow. Unrewarding is a personal opinion, but slow is a factual matter. I was recently timing the 430 Challenge cars around Laguna Seca, and their times were very similar to what a prepped EVO8 can do at that track. Was this slow compared to the FXXs and F1 cars that were also running? Yes. But is it "slow"? If it is, then the 430 Challenge cars are also "slow". But I forget, by your definition the Challenge cars are not race cars so I guess "slow" is to be expected!
430C is a race car. I had one. No E-diff is a big difference. Interesting that you would have a view on how much of a traditionalist I am. At my home track we have a lot of heavily prepped Evos by the Japanese tuners. Cost of these cars can approach a 430C. They run 1:48 best and a 430C does 1:40.
Interesting that you would call the days of gentleman racing over... I have no view on how much of a traditionalist you are, I just suggested however much you are, I perhaps am more. Anyway, just let it go, it was a throwaway comment responding to your dismissal of gentleman racing. At Laguna Seca, the Challenge cars run 1:33 to 1:35. A prepped EVO can do the same at nowhere near the cost. Call it 1/4 the cost. Is there something about your home track that does not favor a modified EVO? I assume the Japanese tuners are able to get as much power/handling out of the car as anyone!
