Eddie Irvine tells it like it is!!! (Belgium re-cap)

So far in the varied threads I have read on this subject I have come to the following conclusion:

- Former F1 drivers cannot give an opinion because they are all washed up has beens who are trying to get some media attention or they are vehemently pro or against Ferrari

- Current F1 drivers cannot give an opinion because they have vested interests and never praise anyone but themselves

- Current F1 teammates only support their team and no one else so their opinion is out.

- The FIA has its own mandates so their opinion is tainted

- Anyone British cannot be quoted on what happend on the weekend

- Most people commenting on this forum have never been within 100 yards of a racing track and even fewer have ever driven a racing car in anger so their opinion is lets say 'less than informed' with regards to the happenings under battle of a motor race

So with all of these people seemingly unable to offer an unbaiased opinion, who can be trusted? The Pope is starting to look good but then again he is involved with all of those Italians and you know.....

 

....interesting comments wannamonza. Yes, it is a 'ferrari' website. Does that mean that contrary opinions aren't welcome? I suppose if you have trouble defending your views based on the facts that would be a preferable arrangement. Secondly, you mention that 'LH has been rather 'notorious' this year for slightly risky passing....' Quite right...how dare he! It would be much better if all drivers only passed when the other driver lets him. Why bother injecting some exciting driving into the sport by having aggressive, exciting and unpredictable tactics. Imagine, if they allowed that we would be back to the days of watching the Senna's and Schumachers compete....perish the thought! I think you are the perfect man to apply as one of the stewards who works with FIA.

 

Well said.

 

You shouldnt let that be known publicly

 

So, let's get a better understanding of all this F1 stuff....

Here we have a world driving championship where, due to the technical regulations, passing is virtually...if not totally...impossible. They manipulate regs in an effort to restore some semblance of mechanical grip that would allow cars to more closely follow others without upsetting their balance, and still the racing is nothing more than a procession and we find ourselves hoping for a pit-side screw-up to enable the pass. Mother Nature injects just the slighest amount of moisture into the proceedings, and good God, we have drivers fighting for car control, delicately balancing acceleration and braking and exposing talents that are hidden under normal track conditions. It's, arguably, the best and most exciting race I've seen in years, and this crowd is whinging about who had the corner, and who didn't let him repass. Tell me you weren't screaming at the tube during those last few laps! Of course you were!....THAT was as good as it gets these days in F1.

Kimi just about 'brake tests' Hamilton because he braked so damn early that he HAD to swing out to the outside line. Those decisions are instintive, not planned, and if you think differently, you're wrong. He, correctly, makes an attempt to claim the corner and cedes the corner when the space closes down. He takes the only option that exists, and immediately gives back the position....not half a lap later...but immediately. And then Kimi leaves the door open AGAIN and LH sticks it inside and he's on his way. Kimi's car setup was trash in low traction conditions, and he didn't have a chance. The car setup and 2 tactical blunders put him in that spot; Lewis deserved to win, after all, he was only doing what us F1 fans are hoping to see: passing, close racing and going for the win; Belgium delivered on both these mandates. Its a damn shame some desk jockey with a freakin' rule book screwed up F1's finest moment this year.....

 

Trulli is twice the driver Irvine ever was. If Trulli had as many starts in a Ferrari as Eddie had, the stats wouldnt even be close. Trulli by the way has more points in his F1 career than Eddie the playboy.

 

I must admit that Eddie is humorous. His knowledge of raceing is as good as his driving. Drove by JVs house an hour ago. Should have knocked on his door to see what his opinion was.

 

Yeah but let's not exaggerate how bad Eddie was. Just because MS was better than him, doesn't mean he sucked, lol.

 

He won 4 races lifetime and blew it big time in 99. The best thing he ever drove was blonde.

 

and the blonde wouldn't touch him until she found out he was an F1 driver

2 of the races he won were gifted BTW (Salo+Schu)

 

Fair cop, just some observations on my part, I am all for robust discussions but this is FERRARICHAT. Further I do enjoy a good fight for the title and I admit some races are bloody boring, I have often wondered why for example the mid pack dont do more passes like Coulthard does but but but BUT like Massa's experience the drivers will make sure you get back what you sowed plus interest, you cut me up on the track I will repay you next time out. And that happens in every sport that has ego's and media attention doesnt it ?. MS was of course nailed for his driving and became somewhat of a target in many ways.

And how do you know I am not a steward with the FIA

At the very least its all a bit of a laugh isnt it ?

 

You have but one flaw;
You make too much sense for these parts.

 

+100 ... For the life of me I do not understand why Trulli still has a drive (and quite a few others).

Pete

 

Hehe, I can handle the heat with your lot John, it's kid's play, but I'm not fighting a losing battle, with that pervert Max, better men than me have tried to get rid of him, but alas, no joy, Is it any wonder ...

Without Lewis Hamilton, you would have nothing to spout off about"!! nothing at all.

Oh BTW.... The Web was invented by English scientist Tim Berners-Lee in 1989, we send the scrap over to you.!!!.

 

It doesn't do your case any good to knock everyone who doesn't agree with you, that just demonstrates the paucity of your argument. You are suggesting that Irvine wasn't the greatest of drivers therefore his opinion is worthless, so what are your qualifications to have your opinion taken seriously? And "his knowledge of raceing [sic] is as good as his driving"? How do you know what he knows about racing? If his opinion happened to coincide with yours I'm sure you would believe he has an excellent knowledge of racing! Irvine might not have been the best driver on the F1 grid but he's been there and knows what it's all about and for that reason his opinion is better informed than the opinions of the vast majority of people who post on here.

 

So do we. hee hee

Couldn't believe we got away with shipping Germaine Greer and Clive James off to the smotherland.
Postage to pay on delivery too!

Expected you guys to do what we did when you tried sending us Murry Walker. Took one look and sent him back.

 

what sort of filth is this !!!!

 

He was robbed of the title in 99 by the team. If they had not lost a wheel during his pit-stop at Nurburg and if they had not ordered him to finish behind Schumacher in France he would have been champion. Yes he was gifted the win by Salo at Hockenheim, but it looked to me like he could have taken the win even if Salo hadn't given it to him. Schumacher did a great job for him at Malaysia, but surely that was payback for all the times Eddie had been Michael's wing-man?
Trulli is a decent driver. I can't remember how he became involved in this thread, but I do quite like him. He seems a decent fella.

 

Yep, he didn't have the required prison record!

 

Ha ha ha ... Nice one Ian...

 

What we need is a better understanding of the word immediately.

So 200m (passed the start/finish line I might add) down the road means without delay? instantly? without lapse of time? closely?

What you say next in your post is irrelevant because Lewis shouldn't of been there to begin with if he immediately gave the position back, which of course you can clearly see in the video/s he didn't.

Desk Jockeys? So they didn't speak to the marshals? They know less about the rules of F1 then the average TV viewer?
They also have access to every single camera on the circuit. Cameras they even ITV doesn't have access to. They didn't make the decision based on how entertaining the race became

 

This is the second post in which you try to make it a personal thing. You are comparing my credibility to Irvines because I think he is a wanker. So because you believe what he says does that put you on a par with him? Just because he was an F1 driver does not mean that he knows more than Trulli or anyone else in the F1 paddock. Your statement is comparable to me saying that you would probably be a mediocre to good F1 driver because you agree with Irvine.

 

Firstly it isn't a personal thing, except in the sense that I don't like the nature of your posts. Secondly, I didn't say I agreed with Irvine.

I am not comparing your credibility with Irvine's, I'm comparing his experience of driving in F1 and all that goes with it with yours. I'm not saying he knows more than Trulli or anyone else in the F1 paddock, I'm saying he knows more than you. Nevertheless you are entitled to express your opinion, as we all are, but what I object to is that you don't just give your opinion you try to denigrate anyone who doesn't agree with you. To me that suggests you either have a poor argument or you are unable to express a reasonable argument intelligently.

 

I couldn't care less what you think or say since in my opinion, you look at F1 with a complete bias towards Ferrari ignoring reality.

You're always so proud to tout your Tifosi horn and be the #1 fan of the team blablabla, but when it comes to listening to what former Ferrari drivers have to say, you seem surprisingly deaf:

Lauda and Irvine both called the penalty unjustified.

I care a lot about how they see it.