Best Video Yet Of The Events In Belgium

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6ovii_wwwformulamagcom-hamiltonkimi_sport

 

Pretty clear there.

Hami was drag racing with Kimi after right after cutting the chicane. He didn't even try to lift so to give the position back to him!

 

That was the first thing I looked for and you are right. It does not appear that he let up on the throttle at all.

But the crazy thing is that the telemetry data shows otherwise doesn't it?

From the Times:

"McLaren insisted in a statement that their telemetry showed that Hamilton had slowed to allow Raikkonen to get past."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article4700155.ece

I guess that is just McLaren's word. Have they released the data?

Also, doesn't this confirm that Kimi passed the Williams car under a yellow flag?

 

And yet he passed completely behind the back of Kimi's car before making the pass on the inside of the next turn.

 

it hurts every time I look at this...

 

This video shows everything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI

 

As said numerous times in other threads: Hami would never have been that close behind Kimi if he hadn't taken the short cut. It was an unfair advantage. The only problem I see is the confirmation by Race Control that it was okay, which was later overruled by the Stewards.

 

thats a good video

but this argument just won't go anywhere it seems

if you a brit and hamilton fan you will see he did nothing wrong

if you just a regular F1 follower you have a question mark on his drive

if you a ferrari fan you have a mix opinion

back to back all the thread everyone have their own opinion on this

 

Ha Ha LOL, that just about sums it up..

 

So your saying he would never have got passed, even if he had followed him round the chicane. (just note how quickly he caught up to kimi!!)

Because that is where the problem is, along with the call that this has happened before, and there has been NO PENALTY, but everyone just dismisses it.

The judgment is to hard to call, so why make a judgment. it's pathetic and it spoilt the season there are no winners just us losers having great racing ruined by idiotic inconsistant calls.

This is the best judgment.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzKMyFCaZy0

 

What none of the videos show is what the heck was Kimi doing weaving all over the track under braking for La Source?
(time 0:29 in this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnTnXrzNCmI)

Was that the car getting loose, or Kimi trying to block, or Kimi thinking he was going to hit the McLaren and then overcontrolling?

I'd love to see an in-car from Kimi at that point, to see what he was doing with the steering wheel.

Looking at it again, I'm guessing that the stewards figured that Lewis contributed to Kimi getting sideways at La Source by not dropping back earlier than the braking point. McLaren make a point of saying that Lewis was "slower" at the start-finish, but he wasn't actually *behind* Kimi until they were under braking. That may be what the stewards snagged on.

Maybe after Kimi crowded Lewis off the track at the bus stop, Lewis was looking for payback? But he wouldn't have been there to crowd Kimi's braking point without cutting the chicane.

 

You have been fooled my friend.

The epic fail of the vid is that he removed the audio on purpose to try and put Lewis in a good light. The on-board vid posted you can clearly hear him put the pedal to the metal as soon as he clears the chicane and he goes thru the gears he isnt losing momentum as the video suggests. If he lost momentum Kimi would of passed him instantly. The momentum was lost a little at the start finish line not at the corner( also remember lewis travelled less distance since he was going in a straight line compared to Kimi needing to do a longer circular drive).

What's more important tho is his comments @ 1.13s~ mark he states - ie: the same distance behind as he was after braking at the chicane.
Well that just shows his ignorance. If a car needs to be in the same spot as another car, then he has 3 options, 1) crash into the car 2) brake or 3) manoeuver around the car AND at the same time trying to keep it on the circuit (or a mix of the 3).
Lewis did none of those, he cut the circuit. His position of reference upto this point is therefore invalid. He no-longer keeps his position he was just before the event simply because he is no longer on the circuit!!! had he done one of the 3 he would of had to of slowed down and get behind Kimi, or make contact.
The REAL reference point is where Lewis would of been at the apex of that corner and coming out of the corner, he just cut and he would of been behind Kimi not side by side!!!

So at the start/finish line where he just gave up the spot he was side by side not behind. Thus he gained an advantage to the next corner by being closer to him then he should of been.

Ofcourse someone can say, maybe Lewis could of caught Kimi before the line had he taken the corner correctly, yes MAYBE, but that is ideal/best case scenario 1 in a 1000000000000000 chance. Which seems to be where every Lewis fan is at the moment.

 

To be honest, I would say if I had seen this rule had been applied to other cases and there are lots, I can't be bothered looking but take a look at the MS and Pedro vid , or Massa v Kubica in the wet great racing NO penalties, then I would say OK fair cop.

I'm not the one being fooled ... If you want to buy into this F1 staged prodution, fair enough. Just put the shoe on the other foot and apply the the same rule, if it were Massa taking Lewis and he got the win taken off him.

I'm a Ferrari fan believe me, but this is not doing the brand any favours, IMO.

 

great vid.

 

Its time to put this to rest and move on to Monza!

 

That's the only possible reason I can see for any penalty, but I'd like to see everybody prepared to be even-handed about it. As has been pointed out elsewhere in these threads at one point Kimi went wide and way off track and stayed off track for some distance. He gained "an unfair advantage" because he would never have been as close to Lewis if he'd braked to stay on the track, as has been suggested by many that Lewis should have done. If Kimi had won the race by twenty seconds would everyone be supporting a 25 second penalty?

 

Where Lewis towing a caravan, blindfolded, with one arm behind his back wins!! but it is taken off him , and given a 10 year ban, because whilst he stopped for a cup of tea and biscuit in his caravan, it was not in the designated area......

 

Eating in the car is a 30 second penalty!

 

Someone please clarify something for me as it has been a while since my last physics class:

If a car is travelling behind another car at a LOWER SPEED than the car in front is therefore pulling away. I don't think there is much argument here.

As such if you are behind a car that is pulling away from you, how is it possible to have this supposed 'extra momentum' everyone is talking about? If you are behind (ie giving back a position) and travelling slower than the car you are behind, it would therefore be necessary to make up a speed deficiency (at a period of time whereby you have already given back a position) before being able to overtake that car.

This is based on the assumption that to overtake a car you need to be travelling at a HIGHER SPEED than the car that is being passed.

Please lets not get into the whole 'drafting' argument here for 2 reasons:
1. LH was not behind KR nearly long enough to get a meaningful tow if anything at all
2. LH was already close enough before the incident to take advantage of an aerodynamic tow so being behind under acceleration of a lower speed part of the track is hardly an advantage.

So any takers to challenge the laws of physics?

 

Awesome video. Kimi was struggling with car everywhere - even on the straights. He had no grip.

 

You want get any challenge, like you don't get any response to the question of why has this penalty not been given before, even when its a worse case scenario.

So whatever happens, Rob let's not confuse the issue with facts...

 

What I find interesting is... in the 3 or so seconds between the time Lewis passed Kimi by cutting the chicane and then let him back by - The McLaren pit wall was able to confirm with race control, twice, that all was well and then convey that to Lewis it was ok repass... seems like it'd be almost impossible to get all that done in the span of a few seconds...

 

You mean he drafted him. Something he could never in the world have done if he had braked and tried to stay on track at the chicane.

 

Because in 99% of the cases the brakes were applies and the car had no chance to make the turn unless it was on rails.

 

Yes and all the brilliant LH had to do was tap the brakes. He didnt and game over. Once again in the mirror he see's his own worst enemy. Surely he could see that he would pass Kimi eventually. He just didnt want to wait. He got caught cutting the chicane and as other drivers have stated, the rules are the rules even if its a bit harsh.