Best Video Yet Of The Events In Belgium

Franco, dont make me laugh MS never even let Pedro back passed him, you say it's a fix so stick to that, because your right with that.

 

You and I both know Steve that the FIA has tightened up on the rules in the last year since the great McLaren gate. For you to not see that your man Lewis is in the wrong here by now is going waaaaay extreme. The part everyone should be most interesed in is why they cant resolve this before the next race. The reason they can and I know they will put it off as long as possible is so the can use it to manipulate the standings if need be. IE: If Ferrari namely Massa wins this weekend and the next race then you can be take it to the bank that the appeal will succeed. If Hamilton takes the win this weekend and or the next then the appeal will be thrown out.

 

Its obvious that you failed Physics Rob. You are completely discounting the fact that Lewis DID NOT BRAKE at the chicane and made no attempt to STAY ON THE RACING TRACK. How many time does one have to say...If it was that close...If Kimi slammed the door that fast.....WHY NO LOCK UP ON LEWIS'S PART? He just went left and kept racing.

 

I'm not saying he wasn't wrong IMO he should have stayed behind him, as I said in the race he had no need to overtake him, but he is a hell bent type of bloke that has got to win, time will tame him and these penalities I'm sure, but for us the joe public watching I ask you, what is better watching a procession or watching drivers fight tooth and nail in overtaking battles.

Then to get robbed of a win like that is the worst thing they could have done it's a horrendous decision, which has caused this out cry.

I can go along with your outcome after Monza, but it makes us look like suckers and I hate that.

 

Franco, you are forgetting to take into account it was WET!!

 

He didn't need to lock up because of the runoff area. If it was Monaco he would have locked up for sure. Also, there was wet grass right along the curb so he couldn't stay side by side with Kimi or he would have slid out of control. His only option once he went so deep into the corner and Kimi defended was to cut the chicane. The only debate at this point should be if he let him past or not and, if not, what should have been the appropriate penalty.

 

Actually I ask that you read my post again. It discusses the events that took place on the straight leading to La Source hairpin well after the first overtaking move going into the bus stop chicane. By the time my physics question comes to play the happenings of cutting the chicane no longer have any bearing.

Even if LH TOTALLY blew the chicane and did not slow for it at all, he then had to slow on the straight to allow KR to pass (seeing as KR slowed for the chicane). KR then overtook him fufilling racing lesson #1 that you cannot overtake if you are going slower than the car you are trying to pass. Now follow me on this one:

- KR is now travelling faster than LH because he just finished passing him
- LH is behind KR (we all saw this in the video)

Therefore LH needs to make up a 6.7kph speed deficiency to go at the same speed as KR and needs to add a few more kph in order to pass him. So the physics question remains:

How does missing the chicane and or the speed at which LH negotiated the chicane have any bearing on his needing to make up a speed deficiency in order to pass KR?

Lets take off the red colored glasses and hear a REAL physics answer with some fact to support it. I think my reasoning is sound, please prove me wrong.

 

***** RD may have put his team on report more than get an assurance - OOPS!

Whiting's role in Hamilton investigation thrust into the spotlight
Thursday 11th September 2008 - PlanetF1.com


Charlie Whiting's role in the stewards' investigation of Lewis Hamilton's move past Kimi Raikkonen during the Belgian GP has been thrust back into the spotlight amid reports that the Race Director advised the stewards to study Hamilton's driving despite previously advising McLaren he had driven within the rules.


In their press release that announced their intention to appeal Hamilton's demotion from first to third, McLaren stressed that they had twice received assurances from race control that Hamilton's manoeuvre was 'okay'. Speaking immediately after the race, team boss Ron Dennis specifically named Whiting as providing those assurances.


Yet while Whiting's approval of Hamilton's move may prove integral to McLaren's defence if their appeal is heard, fresh reports claim that Whiting was also pivotal in the stewards deciding to launch their investigation.


In his blog, The Times F1 correspondent Ed Gorman claims that I have established that, despite having appeared to convey to McLaren that Lewis had done nothing wrong, Whiting himself then played a key role in instigating the formal investigation of the incident by the stewards.


'After every race it is normal procedure, apparently, for the stewards to enquire of the race director if there is anything that should be looked at. Whiting is thought to have said to them that, although he had been in touch with McLaren about the exchange between Lewis and Kimi on lap 42, the stewards may still want to have a look at it themselves.'


It remains unclear - and apparently unknown - whether Whiting specifically advised the three stewards that he had assured the McLaren pitwall that he felt Hamilton's move was legitimate.


At the very least, the confusion over Whiting's role in the process adds to the sense of unease that the stewards' decision was essentially subjective and Hamilton was punished on account of their own opinion in the absence of any hard evidence. McLaren's press release stressed that Hamilton had slowed by 6kph along the straight to allow Raikkonen to re-pass - a fact that they seemingly believe was ignored or not taken into account by the stewards.


The apparent ambiguity of Whiting's position - and his subsequent failure to provide any clarity as to how and why the stewards launched their investigation - has also had the unfortunate, but inevitable, side-affect of allowing conspiracy theories to flourish.


In his own blog on the investigation, ITV reporter Ted Kravitz has questioned whether there may have been a sinister influence that caused the three stewards to probe Hamilton's actions.


'But if Charlie thought what Lewis did was okay at the time, why was the incident put under investigation at all?' he asks pointedly.


'Did Whiting change his mind? Did the stewards instigate the investigation? (They are allowed to do this, by the way.) Or did someone else in the FIA advise Whiting to have another look at the incident in detail?'


So many loaded questions and, as yet, so few answers.

 

IMO this video leaves very little room for argument. Hamilton behaved incorrectly and paid the consequences, albeit rather harshly.

 

So if this is the case and it appears all so clear to all now, I will ask this question.

Why the hell did Charlie Whiting give the ok to RD on the move, and the rest of whole bloody world watching say hang on a min you can't do that Lewis.

I tell you why, it's because its to damn close to make a judgement so why the hell make one, it's a joke, and it disgusts me and any fans paying good money to watch the sport.

 

you're the joke you piece of work !!

how the hell you're still on here after what you posted yesterday is beyond me

Posting "I suck Max Mosely's cock" use to get people banned for violating TOU but all that happened was the mod deleted your phrase and said it was LANGUAGE!!

A lowlife Aussie got a week in the bin for saying the same thing about another poster from the same mod but you seem to survive to continue the tirade of Hamilton arse kissing

You're so thin-skinned about this little tosser and his hateful team of whinging pommies you really should go find the McL website and have your cry there you pathetic little 'man'

 

Don't no what your on about John, have a lie down mate, and please can you contribute something racing related in your next post, it was R&T last time I looked.

 

Hami does not have to lift. He just doesnt have to floor it more than Kimster does for Kimster to get ahead. Thus giving up his position.( He is a trained professional. Dont try this at home.)
The argument now has evolved to ; that yes, Hami gave the position back , but he went off the racing surface. Like every single driver on the track that day I can guarantee you. Only one got a 25 second penalty.

 

No No NO He should be lifting right off and Kimi should have been allowed to lead into the next corner and then the race is on again.

 

Thing is you say that now!!!, so if it was that plain and clear in the rule book, doesn't it beg the question: Why didn't Charlie Whiting say that to Ron Dennis, at the time apparently he asked him twice and was given the ok.

 

A good question Steve. Of course CW was only giving an opinion, it wasn't a definitive decision, which only the stewards can give, but if HE isn't certain about the rules they definitely need to be clarified.

 

No takers for my little physics challenge?

 

Told you, you wouldn't ....

 

Twas only a opinion, agreed like our's, but looked what it has caused...

 

Well said Kraftwerk.....what a way to ruin a great sport.

 

Nuvolari. Please stop. You are attempting to use logic and reason to win an argument with Ferrari worshipers. You should know by now that you have as much chance at winning your argument based on sound reasoning as Galileo did with the Pope....

ps. amazing how such a simple explanation as you have offered is unable to be understood for the 'Ferrari can do no wrong' crowd...

 

Anybody know what Kimi is adjusting on his steering wheel before he and Lewis go off on the right side at the 1:45 mark on the video? Just curious ...


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6ovii_wwwformulamagcom-hamiltonkimi_sport

 

I would suspect that given the differing weather conditions he is either adjusting brake bias or much more likely trying different programs on the differential to gain better traction

 

LH obviously let him by, how the heck did he get behind him before pasing on the next corner

Sometimes the racing forum provides excellent entertainment.

 

I don't think people are looking at it quite right if they say "extra momentum". If Hami followed Kimi properly through the turn, Hami would have gained abit under braking as all cars do, the lead car brakes first, the second car closes the gap and then brakes. Both cars travel through the turn and the lead car gets to punch the gas first and the second car has to wait {in this case a bout a half a second} before getting on the gas. What actually happened was a "drag race" out of the turn with Kimi getting a better launch {since Hami} was going over the rumble strips and "unraced" ground. So Hami got an advantage by being able to punch the gas at the same time as Kimi and the only reason why he didn't stay in front IMO was because Kimi had better track and may have carried more speed prior to acceleration that Hamilton.

Hamilton would have caught and passed Kimi that next lap 100%, no doubt in my mind. Too bad he was slammed with the penalty but on the bright side Kimi didn't finish so he grabbed a bigger lead over him.