What happened to the suppposed 25 versions of the 512S produced ?

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?p=138033608#post138033608

http://www.sportscarcompany.com/detail-1971-ferrari-512s_spider_race_car-spider_race_body-3356436.html

 

Was wondering about the same thing. I'd love to have it though, at the right price....

 

Fazzaz512 or other 512s-m historians,

Didn't Ferrari produced all 512s with the same body? This body looks like a sort of interim bodywork/ proto-ish, more 512M/Canam
Maybe there are factory photos when 1020 was new.

 

All twentyfive 512 cars were first completed as Berlinettas.
During the first few month of 1970 some of these were converted to Spiders. Body variations were (more or less) limited to the nose and tail sections on Spiders and Berlinettas. The nose sections are interchangeable between the two models, but the tail sections are not exchangeable, since the rollbar on the Spider is higher than on the Berlinetta.
N°1010 was the first 'M' (Modificato), which then later became the 712. All other 512 M cars left Ferrari identical (again, more or less...). Ferrari also sold the bits and pieces to teams to do their own conversion. N°1014 was converted by Francois Sicard for NART, N°1036 was converted by Herbert Müller Racing, N°1040 was converted by R. Penske. And finally N°1022 and N°1048 were converted to a version often referred to as 'F' (Filipinetti). The different teams continuously improved the cars over the years.
To the body on sale through ebay: Marcel Massini already highlighted that this was a Marauder and not a Ferrari body.
An original 512 tub and fibreglass body is quite different from the Marauder car and the body for sale. The 512 is a semi-monocoque. Only the nose section, the tail section and the doors are fibreglass. These fibreglass panels were not done by Ferrari, they were done by a Turin boat builder, Cigarla Bertinetti.
Attached is an image (photographer unknown) of the car Randy Berry used to fabricate the panels for sale on ebay for $150k....
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As "fazzaz 512" has mentioned in post #229 the 512 S fiberglass body panels were manufactured by the Torinese boat manufacturer "Cigala & Bertinetti" (note spelling, without letter "r" and no relations to Cigars....). Here are two photos taken at Cigala & Bertinetti in Torino in October 1969.
Marcel Massini
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___1971-FERRARI-512S-SPIDER-RARE-RACE-CAR-BODY_W0QQitemZ200253423531QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item200253423531&_trkparms=72%3A727%7C39%3A1%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245

very wrong! Maybe seller doesn't know the history and thinks he is selling an original body?

 

http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=214148

 

The photograph in post #229 by fazzaz 512 is also in the book "Ferrari 512" by Nathan Beehl, the photographer is John Marney.

 

After I became aware of the ad I contacted the seller privately. I gave him the history of this project, Randy Berry of Marauder and the history of the donor car. The seller responded back that this was a great story but not true. The body had been done by Ferrari....
And yes Marcel, you are correct: Sorry, I had mispelled Cigala. I visited CeB at the factory in 1979 and again at the Genua Boat Show in 1985. Unfortunately all moulds had been destroyed. They confirmed that the models supplied by Ferrari for the moulds were handbeaten aluminium bodies. Later Cigala e Bertinetti became also the supplier of the 312PB f/g body parts.

 

M I hope the future buyer will read this board or researches himself before buying. If the seller has prove the body is original then ok, but if not what we all think.........150k is a lot of money to loose on some GRP
Tom

 

http://cgi.ebay.nl/very-rare-Copa-Brasil-1970-Moretti-Ferrari-512S-TROPHY_W0QQitemZ120491789525QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_SM_Fan_Shop?hash=item1c0ddeccd5

 

http://www.floridamemory.com/PhotographicCollection/video/video.cfm?VID=35

 

That is great! I love the internet! Also a perfect example of what makes this section of this beard special. Thanks for the post.

As an aside, can you imagine a modern driver behaving like McQueen as shown here? Now way!

 

So that means that at least N°1014, N°1036, N°1040,°1022 never left the factory like that.
Potential buyers beware... There might be an authenticity certificate problem here ;-)

 

Barchetta is listing 1030 as sold now at 3.6M Euros/5.1M USD. I would think that is 'extremely' "well-sold".

 

anyone need a windshield for their 512? PM me

 

Enjoy!

http://www.ferraridatabase.com/The_Downloads/The%20Documents/CSAI_512S.pdf

 

certificate
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GEARBOX of 512
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This Factory Certificate of Origin most probably comes from Harley Cluxton's files, the "Paid 23 October 1974" stamp is the date when Nick Dioguardi sold #1024 to G. E. "Bud" Keeney in Newport Beach/CA. The signature is from Amerigo Manicardi, factory sales director. The 15 April 1971 date is the date when the factory sold this 512 S to the first private owner Dr. Alfredo Belponer in Brescia, Italy.

Marcel Massini

 

100% correct. He has a few of them in there along with lots of great stuff.

 

The certificate says "512/S" and it was signed 15th of april 1971. The first outing of this car was the 1000 kms. of Monza on 25th of april 1971 in "M - configuration".

Does this mean this 512 was sold as a 512S and then was converted to M specs within 10 days or are all certificates of origin referring to the cars as they first appeared?

 

1024 was entered but did NOT start at the Monza 1000 kms (25 April 1971), with owner Dr. Belponer (using alias name "Pam" in his Scuderia Brescia Corse racing team) and co-driver Carlo Facetti. The car was born as a 512 S, but never used as a 512 S, but sold by the factory as a chassis only with partial bodywork on 20 June 1970 to Garage Francorchamps SA in Belgium, factory delivery note #16655 (together with two other 512 chassis #1026 and #1036). It was converted by the factory into "M" configuration early 1971. Then sold by the factory to Belponer (factory invoice #1068/71).

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