My Ferrari Mondial Coupe project ...

Paul,

Thanks for the compliment. As far as service costs go, id recommend you ask in the NY tri-state section for prices. Mine was done 5 years ago and i supplied the parts from T. Rutlands. Just a guess though i think the diffrence between a 3.2 and a T will be around $2500-3k for an apples to apples 30k service. YMMV

The good news is there are plenty of good independant F shops here in this part of the world.

 

Yes, without a doubt, your car is a fine example and I was so tempted. Only my fixation for a Nero Coupe prevented me from buying her.

Anyone who is interested in buying Dave's car will be more than happy with their decision if they do. This is one where the car definitely speaks for itself. After slowly walking around it while listening to the engine’s smooth idle I already knew that a test drive wasn’t necessary. This car is that good.

 

all mondials have removable subframes, up to the 3.2 the engine and subframe stays put and you can do the major in a day, the t is longer by about 2 days. the cost delta is also about 3k more for the t. the clutch on the 8~3.2 takes about 4hrs start to finish, and there is no "goopy" flywheel to mess with either. the mondials also don't have saddle tanks so there loads of room in the bay to get work done. thermostat replacement is 10mins, water pump can be done in less than 1hr, the t is much harder for the thermostat and the pump? not happening until the motor is out.

operating costs are higher for the t varient, it's just they way it is. but don't let it distract from the car, the t finally has the power the mondial always needed. if your not for originality adding boost to the early ones makes them scream!

 

Please elaborate on "Goopy" flywheel. It was my understanding that a clutch change on the t is pretty straight forward. Unfortunately the clutch kit is about 4 times more expensive on the t.

Thanks,
dave

 

Has anyone noticed over the past few years that Mondials, most especially the coupes, are slowly but steadily developing a very loyal following with more restorations and fan interest? It's becoming a unique Ferrari to have. Still not wildly popular, but certainly a growing following.

 

Could just be that y'all crazies are finding each other on the 'net...

 

LOL, ha, LOL. You gotta be freaking crazy just to want to own a Ferrari, much less picking a model everyone one picks on. It's an adventure in confidence.

 

Like I said...

 

Well its about time!

Ahhh yes. My plan... It is working! Said the mad scientist.

 

The t has a "dual mass" flywheel. This means that instead of it being a lump of metal, it is a metal shell with two plates inside. The engine turns the plates, and the plates push on springs, very similar to the ones you see in most clutch disks, that push on the shell. The clutch is pressed against the shell and thus torque is transferred to the trans. Because of those springs inside the shell, t clutch plates don't have springs. Inside the shell with the plates and the springs is a special grease called Kluber. The grease keeps the plates and springs lubbed and quiet, as well as providing a balancing action on the flywheel's rotating mass.

There are three Teflon rings that seal the shaft that goes through the tranny on its way to the flywheel so that transmission oil stays put. Those seals get tired - apparently no one ever bothers to change them until the damage is done - anyway, they get tired, allowing tranny oil to contaminate the Kluber grease. Once it gets contaminated enough, it loses viscosity and runs out inside the flywheel housing.

In two days, I will be able to say how easy this is to repair. The parts were not costly at all < $100.

 

I think you'll see even more interest in them now that there is another V8 2+2 back in the line up...

 

Yep. It is the new Mondial. Regardless of what the Ferrari marketing folks would have you believe...

 

why do you feel this is the case...i would think the coupes would rise in value because they are rare now

 

I agree, only it is the "flash" Mondial instead of the classic that we adore.

What I am saying is that while I am sure that driving a California would be a lot of fun, I don't like its styling at all.

 

Both will, although perhaps the cabs more because people like to put the top down. If I had had a selection between a cab and a coupe when my Ferrari window of opportunity opened, I would have bought a coupe. But I didn't so I bought a cab. Still, I have to admit that when the weather and the road are suitable, there is nothing quite as pleasurable as rolling along in the Mondial with the top down. The rest of the time I wish that I had a coupe. (Bad weather - too hot, too cold, raining. Bad roads - too bumpy, too twisty.) So, a lot of the time I wish for a coupe, but every once in a while it sure is sweet driving the cab. Is the trade off worth it? I can't honestly say - that's a hard call, but the market says yes.

 

That is part of what I am saying.

 

Nice looking Mondi.

 

Well, we need to define "rare" since, overall, there were more Coupes produced, even if you exclude the Mondial 8 (of which all were Coupes).

Numbers aside it is very apparent that Coupes are much more difficult to find and compared to Cabs rarely come up for sale.

The following data is courtesy of NNO:
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=137847617&postcount=92

Mondial 8
Production started: 1980.
Production ended: 1982.
Total production: 703, 145 RHD.

Mondial QV
Production started: 1982.
Production ended: 1984.
Total production: 1,145, 152 RHD.

Mondial QV Cabriolet
Production started: 1983.
Production ended: 1985.
Total production: 629, 24 RHD.

3.2 Mondial Coupe
Production started: 1985.
Production ended: 1988.
Total production: 987, 91 RHD.

3.2 Mondial Cabriolet
Production started: 1985.
Production ended: 1988.
Total production: 810, 57 RHD.

Mondial t Coupe
Production started: 1988.
Production ended: 1993.
Total production: 858, 45 RHD (3 Valeo).

Mondial t Cabriolet
Production started: 1989.
Production ended: 1993.
Total production: 1,017, 51 RHD (5 Valeo).

Excluding the Mondial 8; Total Coupes: 3278, Total Cabriolets: 2588

 

SO, why is it you rarely see a coupe for sell?...and that is why i thought coupes were rare...i am interested in a red coupe(first color choice, second black) 3.2 or t...and none that i have found...13 on ebay only 2 are coupes and one of those is an 8...none on autotader.com

 

As every Coupe owner here will tell you, "They're keepers!" I've been looking for a blk/tn for over two years, even offered a $1000 finder&#8217;s fee. During a brief lapse in determination (brought on by frustration) I whittled away my reserves on a few other toys including a new Ducati 1098S. During that time I missed out on CopterJon's beautiful car.

But now I'm ready again

 

I may be wrong, but it's my feeling that Mondial coupes are much like 206/246 coupes, they have two fates:
1. They are being held onto and cherished by appreciative owners
2. They've already died from neglect and gone to the great winding road in the sky

 

davem has one for sell thinking of going to look at it