CHINA GP: Friday's Driver's Briefing To Scruntinize Hamilton's On-Track Behavior

Of course what SRT Mike has said is right, but it has been said time and time before by other including myself. But memories are damned short especially around here.
No doubt the same thing will be said in a few weeks time again when most will have forgotten what they have read in this thread.
That's the Fchat way of-course

 

Well what do you expect? People have lives, they can't hang on every statement that someone posts. I'm sorry you didn't get your appreciation for your post, so here's a cookie.
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I am not taking sides even though I am a Ferrari nut. But one thing about LH. Nearing the end of the race (on the penulitmate lap , I think) in Fuji, Alonso lapped LH. The way LH behaved in aggressively unlapping himself immediately to no purpose ( he was at the tail end whereas Alonso was first) might have caused a 'racing incident' leading to Alonso losing his deserved victory. It was only Alonso's maturity in moving over to let the raging "bull" LH pass that saved the day. I do hope LH matures quickly if he is to become a worthy F1 Champ.

I wonder why I have not seen any comments about this incident from other fans.

 

HUH!!! Whats your problem? Stop being a **** and reading into things that aint even there.
Its true that LH has a style that is like that of MS and even AS. Its been said on numerous occasions. And it will be said again and again. So why dont you climb back down from up ya own arse man.

 

He needed to unlap himself because, so as to give himself a chance to be in a point scoring position, if the drivers in front had failed to finish, you can't score points if you have been lapped IIRC.

 

Yep you would know Jim, remind me where is Ted!!.......

 

Yes, because Schumacher and Senna made some stupid things, just like Hamilton. But they were not great thanks to those brain fades.

Anyway, I agree in that: Hamilton reminds me of Schumacher: he´s fast, needs to be the number one of the team and is very dirty. He´ll probably win lots of championships too.

 

I think the idea of the other drivers being jealous is ridiculous. There's some honest concern about Hamilton's driving amongst those who have every right to be concerned. Attacking Trulli and Webber is even more ridiculous: they are both chairman of the GPDA and therefore are the ones who have to make these kind of announcements.
I think it's the best way to deal with the situation. Let the drivers among themselves work it out. They are directly involved and only they can determine if this scrutineering is necessary or not. If it helps I don't know.

 

Remember Kimi getting a point in Australia in the garage after DNF'g at -5 laps, after Rubens was DQd? (And Bourdais getting two points at the side of the track with a blown engine, three laps down.)
Remember the turbo era, when the only cars on the lead lap were the two Williams Renaults?

Of course you can get points when you've been lapped.

And from 12th you'd need a four car pile-up among those on the lead lap to get Lewis into the points.
And who's the only driver that can cause that kind of chaos? (other than DC )

Finishing behind Alonso would have let him put one less lap on his engine (which was already on its second race) and gearbox (which is supposed to last four races).

 

You have evidently only been reading the English speaking press, and you are confusing the part with the whole.

You know, there are also F1 writers and commentators in minor countries like Germany, France, Spain, or Italy. You might find it instructive to read what they have to say about LH. Darling is not exactly the word that comes to mind when they talk about him.

And none of them are so bold as to compare him to MS. Today, there is absolutely no comparison.

 

+1

Finally some sense.

 

I can see why the Spanish press would have a beef with Hamilton. Firstly, the Spanish fans embarassed themselves and were (luckily for them, lightly) sanctioned for being unable to "keep it professional" after displaying racist hate at the Spanish GP. Furthermore, Lewis in his rookie year made Alonso look like a 2nd rate hack. In addition, it's clear that while Hamilton has gone on to be the likely winner of this years WDC, Alonso has been relegated to upper-mid pack and isn't even a contender for the WDC, and the team who'se asses he has been kissing all year long apparently aren't interested in him.

So yes, as much as Lewis has risen to the top of the heap, Alonso has sunk to the middle, and now has reverted back (again) to making stupid comments in the press to keep his name alive.

So I can totally see why the Spanish press would not like Hamilton. Then again, I doubt Hirohito was much of a fan of Truman on August 7th 1945 either. That's what happens when someone goes nuclear on you

As for the Hamilton-MS comparison - it is very valid, despite you not wanting to admit it. If you can't see the truth for being unable to get over the hatred of Hamilton, then that's your problem, but Hamilton is exceedingly quick, he's aggressive, he's talented, and he's confident. He needs to temper that with humility and experience, which will come in time. It's pretty much the same situation as another guy who came up through the ranks of F1 and impressed along the way - MS. We shall see if Lewis is able to achieve the same success as MS did... only time will tell.

 

Ok, wasn't sure about the points, however assuming FA slowed up as he was winding down to the finish, LH took the opportunity to unlap himself, what the big deal about that.

What's wrong with unlapping yourself, oh I get it' it's arrogant and aggressive.

Just seems to me another lame attempt at bashing the guy for racing.

 

Thanks for your reply.
What points scoring would he have achieved by unlapping himself being almost in last position anyway? The race was almost over at that stage. I know in F1 it ain't over till the fat lady sings but to hope for points in that position with the race almost over was wishful thinking. LH might have taken Alonso out. Personal animosity has no place in such potentially dangerous race conditions. Anyway I stand corrected. I was not aware that no points will be accorded if one has been lapped ?even if all cars before him broke down and he was the only guy who finished the race?? Thanks.

 

My post of course was not about Alonso, and did not mention him. Your dislike (hatred?) of him distracts you and makes you write nonsense again. Notice that I did not comment on LH's driving either.

The Italian press dislike Hamilton (and looooove Alonso). The French press dislike Hamilton. The German press dislike Hamilton. Hey, the pilots also dislike Hamilton... and you write that "he is the darling of the international press"... He is of course only the darling of the english speaking press.

As for the comparison of LH with the seven time champion MS, (who in his turn was twice defeated for the WDC by Alonso) What can I say, believe what you want. Have a drink with Anthony, he won't need convincing.

 

OK you may be right. Not that its arrogance etc. Its just that he had just had to let Alonso the race leader through , and then to attack aggressively to overtake immediately when all has been lost? I suppose that racing drivers are just built that way to be as competitive as possible! By the way LH just topped the practice sessions at Shanghai. This guy has some talent & I only hope that he can be magnanimous in his behaviour, befitting a potential Word Champion.

 

Losers often complain about winners in all endeavors...

 

Correct Peter. Many here while kneeling at the Hamilton alter are too busy taking turns nudging his reputation closer to Mikes to notice that small fact. There is no comparison between Mike and Lewis.....absolutly none.

 

Painfully, +1

 

Do you think the "English speaking press" means they are only from England? LOL... most of the articles I have read about Hamilton are quite favorable, regardless of the country of origin of the author. Every country has their bias, and of course Alonso is going to be more popular in Spain than Hamilton, and of course Kimi and Massa will be more popular in Italy than Hamilton, just like Hamilton and Button are more popular in England than the rest. But if you look on balance at the vast majority of the international press (you know, the ones writing for an international audience, as opposed to the local rag guy writing for the local French/Italian/Spanish paper), then the fact is that Hamilton is the media's darling. He gets way more coverage than any other driver, and has more people knocking on his door looking to write articles and stories than the others. Fact.

As for comparing MS to LH, only a fool would say a comparison cannot be made... LH narrowly missed the WDC last year, and has led it pretty much all of this year, despite not having the fastest car most of the time. If the metric is that one must have won an equal number of WDC's to be compared, then no driver in history can ever be compared with MS, which is a silly statement to make. You are right, Alonso twice beat MS (bearing in mind that the Renault was *significantly* faster of a car than the Ferrari, and MS almost beat Alonso the 2nd time in a much slower car). Don't forget that when you talk about how Alonso beat MS twice, that Hamilton beat Alonso - in an equal car to Alonso, and in his rookie year.

 

So,

A driver who is faster than the guy that beat MS twice,

Came very very close to winning the WDC his first year,

Has led practically all season the WDC battle in his second year,

Has beat every team mate he ever has, including 2x winning WDC drivers,

And has outperformed others on the grid despite not having the quickest car on the grid,

Who has shown a drive and aggressiveness that reminds many of Schumacher.......


... is not comparable to Schumacher? That's silly. Certainly Hamilton hasn't achieved what MS did, and he may never. But to deny that Hamilton has many of the same traits as Schumi, or to deny that he is a lighting fast driver, or to deny that he is fantastic in the rain (like Schumacher), is just silly. There's sour grapes and then there's sticking your head in the sand and denying reality. LH will get MS's reputation once he has lots of WDC's under his belt and proves to be quick in all conditions and tempers his speed with maturity. But nobody is saying LH has the same reputation or achievements as MS... people are just saying they are reminded of MS in Hamiltons driving. To claim otherwise is to deny the obvious, which isn't surprising on here considering he drives for the competition and has been cleaning house all year.

 

The only smilarity that Hambone has to Schumi is that they both sit to take a dump. That is where it starts and ends. Hambone will never reach the status that Schumi has, Schumi is a 7 Time World Champion! Hambone is someone with big dreams and a big mouth to match.

 

If Mike had started out in the best car then he would have won even more championships than he did. Hamilton is probably around the 6th best driver out there. Rubens looked good too when he was in the best car....where is he now? Vettel is an amazing driver and if he was in equal cars to Lewis then I think you know where the money would be. The same can also be said for Kubica. The comparison to Alonso is a joke and you also know that. The tire change rule was brought in to specifically stop MS and Ferrari and then it was changed back and look what happened. Alonso was gifted the 2005 season and much of the 2006 season. We all know that the Macs are horrible in the high temp weather and so does Lewis...why cant he make his tires last 15 laps? If all of a sudden the FIA said that we were running all races at high temp countries then the Macs would be toast and many in here would scream foul. Alonso has hardly been heard from since being back in the mid pack cars but now the the Renault has improved by some miracle through this engine freeze, he looks great again.The same would go for Lewis if he was kept back in midpack car....we would hear nothing of him.

Maybe the standardized engine and transmission the FIA want to tender out for the 2010 -2012 season will show who really has the talent.

 

I don't think Rubens would have matched and beaten Alonso, or smoked Kovalainen, because he was getting routinely beaten by Button the last couple years.

Maybe to you, but some of us aren't so jumpy with our opinions. Lewis makes a mistake, "Ohh he's overrated" Vettel has a good race "Ohh he's the second coming".

Considering the races he's won, it's not that big an issue, stop exaggerating.

Actually even before Alonso won this year, many regarded him as the most complete or best driver on the grid, and no not just people on this forum either. Also, just like Vettel, Lewis would shine in a slower car, in comparison to his teammate.

See, it still may be a question for you, but for people who are actually involved in F1, or people who actually have racing experience, his talent is not questioned. I honestly don't think you know what you're talking about here, and I think you're jumping to conclusions.

 

Theres a point I hadnt thought about....lets say Massa and LH are 1 point difference in the final race, either in the lead in points...are they going to concoct an "Incident will be investigated after the race" then out of something that should be a racing incident??

That would purely suck, World Champion for 30 mins then stripped from you! Massa or LH, I wouldnt wish that on any driver or the fans for that matter!