599/430 Prices Crashing

Absolutely, you hit that 1 square on

1 point to add though, if you do want a F-car go for either a 599 fully loaded and get a bargain or stretch some more and wait for the classic limited edition Fcar to crash in price. I can ultimately see Lusso's or F40 or Daytona Coupe or *Daytona Spider* or maybe even *275GTB/2/4* getting down to $300 - $500K where they were in 1992 - 1994 and they will be everything a 599 isnt, limited edition, non expensive mechanicals (no electronics ), and collectable. The F599 will eventually suffer from the fact that it has electronics AND I CANT SEE FERRARI SERVICING IT IN 20 YEARS TIME. Plus the fact that it is comparitively mass produced, so keep your cash go along for the ride and see what happens. OR MAYBE NOT ??

 

Wow, that's a lot of car for the money. I'm holding out still, just working, doing deals and saving. Come to me, baby!!

RMX

 

Feel like a kid in a candy store dontcha ?

Wait until QTR3 of 09 and you and I will go car shopping

 

What "Ferrari butt" are you going to be kicking in a Miata? Get real, buddy...

 

I need to work hard til then and a little unexpected luck wouldn't hurt.

RMX

 

what he said!! on a lucky day you may give a high mileage beater 81 308gtsi a run for the money but that said maybe you need to understand that Colins clone isnt exactly the bully on the block!!

 

I was waiting for someone to pick up on this.

Oh, maybe put on a little turbo to get up to 300 hp, get the weight down to, say, 2,300 pounds, beef up the suspension, corner weigh the car. I can probably do all this for well under $5k.

Plus, let's say you and I are running for a corner. Who is gonna blink first? You in your Ferrari were even a small get off can cost you $20k, or me in my POS Miata?

Don't laugh. I have seen Spec Miatas embarrass Ferrari Challenge cars at TWS.

Dale

 

Yes, the upper middle class is still employed. But a few days ago I compared my investment reports from 9/30/07 and 9/30/08 and found that I had "lost" $500K, about 25%. Since I still have at least 10 yrs before retirement I'm not worried about it, but if I had been considering adding another collector car to the stable it would probably discourage me from doing so.

 

You remind me of Jay Leno.

 

It's true.

I had the pleasure of having my buttom kicked repeatedly by 'POS Miatas' on track. Sure I can fly around them like turtles on the straights, but it's truly humbling have your rear mirror filled with swarms of Miatas and FWD Hondas on the corners. I have yet to see F car owners brave enough to throw their precious masterpiece into the corner with sideway 4 wheel drift.

A serious question for those fortunate enough to answer: A CS and a modified Miata with Hoosiers and roll cage, which one is more fun to drive on a track?

 

No matter how you modified a miata, it will never be more fun than a CS. A miata isn't even a hair on a Stradale's ass.

 

Miata of course. It's all about cornering ability.

 

That's probably true for any production Ferrari except for the CS. That car with its Carbon Brakes and perfect balance will run deeper and faster into any corner that would make Miatas a little nervous. It really is a wonderful track car, and besides the brakes the Pirelli Corsas are as close to a track tire while still being street legal. Brakes, tires and balance - all you need to go fast around the whole track, not just the straights.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the CS is still more than 3000 lbs. Carbon brakes are no better than iron (and the lightweight Miata is much easier on brakes anyway) and Miatas can be balanced quite well. In no way am I putting the CS down, but there is no way it is going to outcorner and outbrake a nicely setup Miata. Now, the Miata is so low on power that you have to be a pretty durn good driver to keep the momentum up, so in that regard for an average track day enthusiast the CS might win. But in the right hands ...

 

I have yet to see F car owners brave enough to throw their precious masterpiece into the corner with sideway 4 wheel drift.


You never saw me drive my Lusso in the 80's around the track. LOL

 

That's not the fastest method to go on track.
Sideway drift works best only at relatively lesser speeds on gravel or snow for fastest corner taking.
I don't doubt a good driver in a Miata will give some hard time to a mediocre CS driver,equal skill driver in Ferrari will lose the "zoom,zoom" car after the first corner.

 

That's not the fastest method to go on track.

+1 I was just a lousy driver.

 

I have owned both. Going fast in a SM is hard work. You cannot relax for a second, except maybe going down a straight. The Challenge Stradale is a sweet, sweet car. I used to put Beethoven's 9th in the CD while on the track. What a hoot.

However, I thought the F430 was even better than the Stradale due to its additional torque.

But, and some of you are not going to like this, I'd almost rather have a well set-up C6 than the F430.

The bottom line is that, once upon a time, Ferraris had racing DNA. This is no longer true. Or, at least, not true in the cars you and I can buy. If you put a F430S and a GT3 on the track with equal drivers, guess which car would win? Or lets go back to 1989., and put a 328 v. a 911.

Frankly, the last Ferrari that had real racing DNA is either the Boxer or the 288 GTO.

Don't misunderstand. Modern Ferraris are GREAT driving cars. But bang for the buck, they don't make sense on the track anymore.

Dale

 

What exactly is the basis of that very strong statement?
Do you have personal experience driving both these cars?
I find Scuderia to be much easier to exploit on the track then the Porsche which requires much higher skills to go anywhere near the speeds of the Ferrari.

 

You forgot the F40

 

This thread has drifted off topic a bit?

 

True, I have never driven either car on the track. But those I have talked who have favor the GT3, which before this meltdown was tens of thousands less.

I don't think the F40 was ever DESIGNED to be a race car. Cool car, but I think that a DNA test would show that it started life as a street car.

Tru dat. My apologies. You are free to return to crying in your wine.

Dale

 

I think Dr. Who is just saying the Miata with the mods is the best bang for the buck at the track. Those little Miata's with the turbo's with a great driver are fast little cars. He is right if you think of it in those terms. I track my ferrari for fun. You can't get caught up in "my car is quicker than your car nonsense". Drive what you have and focus on driving it better with a smile on your face.
It seems to me the guys on the track who are so worried about being passed by a slower car are the one's with little track experience or lesser financial means. In the end who cares!

 

and a quick perusal seems to indicate almost all of them have less than 10k miles and most less than 5k. Hell, many had in the 100's. Not sure what really separates these 472 cars other than color and a few options. Should be a pretty tough time to be selling.