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360 Trouble Starting

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  1. Juan-Manuel Fantango

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    Ok...I have a friend with a 360 that is having trouble with starting. We thought it was the battery, replace it, and it ran fine for a few days, now appears dead again. Used he Interstate battery listed. My friend is new to operating the car, and yes she will read the manuel, but I would really appreciate help here. All the features come on, lights, etc, but nothing happens when you turn the ignition. Your suggestions will be apprecaited.
     
  2. zhifu

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    You may need to check the Security system. When you see the little red light inside is always on while driving, it mean this system's main battery is nearly finish. When this system down can't start the car.......(the battery of the main security system inside the car can't change, need to replace a new one....)
     
  3. GCalo

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    Try changing the battery in the keyfob remote.
     
  4. ferrarilou

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    If it is a F1, do you hear the pump prime when opening the door?

    Also, just to eliminate the chance of user error,
    - has she made sure she gets 2 beeps after hitting the key fob
    before starting the car?
    - foot on brake, firmly, before starting car?
    - any warnings in the display area?



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  5. Juan-Manuel Fantango

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    There is a seperate battery in the car for the Security system?

    Tried to start the car, double beep, pump activated, lights on the dash, then a electrical sound, almost like the battery is not properly connected-almost like a loose terminal.

    Tried to repeat the procedure, and nothing, no double beep, etc.
     
  6. PAP 348

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    Strange....I dont think I totally understand your question properly Juan.

    Can you remove the battery and get it checked out mate? Load test it to see if it just flat or it had dropped a cell.

    If the battery is just flat, then it may have a charging issue or there is something draining the battery when the car sits overnight.

    If the battery has dropped a cell, then it may have a charging issue that needs to be looked at. An alternator with a faulty voltage regulator can soon "fry" a new battery.

    Could even be a faulty starter relay or starter motor? Can you explain a little better please mate?
     
  7. zhifu

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    Yes the security system inside the car had a indivial battery, but can't change need to replace the whole set, price is around Hong Kong Dollars $4500(I think HK's price will higher than the other place....)
     
  8. RayJohns

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    #8 RayJohns, Oct 21, 2008
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    I posted some information on the alarm module battery a while back. The battery they are talking about is the battery inside the alarm module. When it goes bad, it can mess up the circuit board, which might cause the car not to start properly.

    Here's the thread:

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111884

    Before replacing a lot of things, I would check to see if the main car battery has a full charge or not. I would also check to see if the red LED on the dash stays on or not.



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  9. Juan-Manuel Fantango

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    #9 Juan-Manuel Fantango, Oct 21, 2008
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    It's post like this that make Fchat worthwhile...thanks. This situation really sounds like the battery, although we just replaced it.
     
  10. masar

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    I also think it could be battery especially you say that when you replaced it, car was starting. Maybe she left opened door or hood in garage? This can kill battery fast. I would check main battery as first step.
     
  11. Miner_31

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    You said you replaced the car battery. But have you replaced the alarm siren that contains the battery for the Alarm.
     
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    try swapping the starter relay with another similar relay (i think the windshield wiper relay is the same). also, try swapping the starter fuse with a similar fuse. the relay/fuse box is behind the driver's seat. this is a picture from my stradale. i think the 360 is very similar.
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    #13 david1175, Oct 21, 2008
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    Wouldn't the alternator be a possible issue??? If you replace the battery and the alt is bad, it will just keep draining the battery.
    I have had similar issues w/ other cars in the past w/ the same problem (not F-cars), and the alternator was the problem.
    Best of luck!
    BTW, 720's relay suggestion may be the cause as well...
     
  14. RayJohns

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    you're most welcome :)

    BTW, if you need to rule out the car battery, here is what I would do. Get a battery charger (I use one from Sears) and put it on the battery. If the charger shows it is taking a charge, then something may be wrong with the charging system of the car. If not (and the battery shows that it's fully charged), then I would suspect your battery is not the problem. Also, some battery chargers (such as the one I have here) have a 50 amp mode which can be used to start the car. You might want to try starting the car with the charger in this mode and see what results you get. If the car does not start then, I think again you can rule out the battery being the cause of your problems.

    If you do get the car started, then wait about 30 or 45 seconds and confirm that the alarm LED on the dash goes out. If it stays lit, then that is indicating a fault in the alarm system (which 9 times out of 10 is the battery on the printed circuit board inside the alarm module).

    Ray
     
  15. brian.s

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    NOT a good idea. The elctronics are very finicky and the dash is easily fried, I have had to replace two this year. Be careful when messing with chargers and battery replacement.

    Although I DO have some time to schedule an instrument cluster replace if you end up needing it..........!
     
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    Post #6 of mine also has some good info mate. Check it out. ;);)
     
  17. Juan-Manuel Fantango

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    Thanks guys, another reason I like this site is the helpful advice. She charged the battery with the standard cigarete charger, and it cranked fine. But..we did this before, and it died. I'm concerned about her being stranded.
     
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    Get rid of the OEM FIAAM battery and get something decent.

    She will not get stranded then.
     
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    Good to know. I recall a thread about the dash problem, but didn't realize it was related to jumping the battery.

    Ray
     
  20. RayJohns

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    That's very strange. Have you tried clearing the ECU's?

    Ray
     
  21. PAP 348

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    Remove that battery and get it load tested it mate. Take it back to the shop you bought it from, they should be able to do it.

    It doesnt sound like it is holding charge. Perhaps she has an alternator issue that is overcharging the battery (faulty voltage regulator) and cooking it.?

    I dont know, but it sounds like the new battery is playing up. Look into mate. :):)
     

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