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  1. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Yesterday it was $486k you needed. Today its $380k. How do you do it? $106k reduction in a day!!!

    Seriously. Nobody's bytching around here. Just keeping those who may not know the full history informed. I suppose disclosure = bytching.
     
  2. 12097

    12097 Formula Junior

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    On a slightly unrelated topic, I asked my broker the same question a couple of weeks ago............
     
  3. LC3929

    LC3929 Formula Junior

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    I suppose they compared #1120162 to #1120286 and decided to reduce the price :)
     
  4. Jota 5084

    Jota 5084 Formula 3

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    +1
     
  5. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Thank you.
     
  6. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    :)
     
  7. alberto

    alberto Formula 3

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    I thought I'd take a discount on account of the market. You know, by the time the donation is transfered to my acount, I go to see the car, inspect it, etc. armagedon will have fallen upon the car world and car prices will have dropped by 1/4.

    It would not be bytching if the facts were stated as what they are, not as opinions about the manhood or intelligence of those who have such cars. (Disclaimer, all my cars but one are original color and all original in most every respect; the one that is not was painted a different shade by a previous owner and I hope to put it back to orignal livery one day). I'm not necesarilly saying you said this Joe, but many here seem to ascribe a certain disdain for color changes that borders on the silly and boorish. Many, including you Joe, have had cars that had color changes (some ordered by you) and you are no worse for wear. In doing so you did some beautiful and very stunning color combinations that others are still copying such as the lime green/electric blue Miura. Absolutely nothing wrong with that; it did not make you or anyone else who does so any less of an enthusiast or mark lover.

    I guess as a general matter, I don't agree with the holier than thow attitude about original colors that some here seem to take. Yes, I agree that it's better to have a car repainted in its original colors. But there is nothing sacrilegous about changing it. It' better than not saving a car, I'll tell you that.

    Alberto
     
  8. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    LOL. When I ordered Gary to paint that SV in non-original lime green I received death threats. Well, almost. But that was a LONG time ago in my formative years... I learned my lesson
     
  9. Diablo_4_Ever

    Diablo_4_Ever Formula Junior

    Nov 9, 2004
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    Got this in my mail today:

    LP400 1120088 for sale
    Asking price $425,000 = 316 000 Euro, but you can make them an offer
    Previous owner had it for 25years
    No accident, all original except for some minor touch up
     
  10. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Alberto:

    This is EXACTLY the reason we are talking about all the LP400s on the market that are in non-original configuration. Because it is NOT BEING DISCLOSED!!!! Look at the description of 1120088. The car was built black/white. Now it is maroon/tan. "All original except for some minor touch up"....

    As to whether it is sacrilege to change a car's color, thats a personal matter. To some it isnt. To some it is. I used to be in the former camp...
     
  11. LC3929

    LC3929 Formula Junior

    Dec 16, 2007
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    Joe:

    I still like the non original lime green / blue Miura !

    Alberto:

    I think that we must differ between cars with original, stunning liveries like verde rio/bianco (1120012) and less stunning, more common liveries like rosso/nero. I understand a colour change from rosso/nero to, let's say, arancio/bianco or argento/tabacco. I also understand owners who will not change their rosso/nero car because they like it (by the way I do not like that common, boring livery for the LP400) or due to reasons of originality. What I do not understand is a color change from arancio/bianco to something else.

    Christian
     
  12. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    If you're saying that special/rare/exotic liveries should be preserved, I agree completely.

    Alberto that isn't "holier-than-thou". Its just a preference that some stick to. I will be fully expecting you to go ahead and restore your Miura in a livery completely different from its original one :)
     
  13. alberto

    alberto Formula 3

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    Peace my brothers, we are in violent agreement. Joe, don't worry, my intent is to redo Miura 1021 in its original color. Now, back to the real question, anyone going to donate the money for me to take that non-originally blue colored LP-400 off the market? I wouldn't want anyone to buy it thinking it was the original livery. I'll happilly sacrifice myself for my fellow man.

    Cheers
    Alberto
     
  14. LC3929

    LC3929 Formula Junior

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    Yes, this is what I'm saying.
     
  15. LC3929

    LC3929 Formula Junior

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    Ok, you'll get 1 Euro from me tomorrow at Fiera di Padova event in Italy. Will you be there? :)
     
  16. raymondQV

    raymondQV F1 Rookie

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    I understand both of them, when I buy a rare car which doesn't suite my wish I'm not interested if it's red/black or arancio/bianco since I simply what to have it different, as long as you remain in the original colour range I'm OK with it. Perfect would be to find a car according your taste/wish, but with only 150 built that could get complicate, anyway the LP400 are still overprized like all Miura's are, but that's another theme.

    Owning the one and only Chianti Perlcolor Countach in the world I understand also your position and be confirmed that my Mimran car will never change it's colour as long as I own her.
     
  17. LC3929

    LC3929 Formula Junior

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    I agree that it's not easy but there were a lot of interesting, stunning, exotic original liveries. Today a lot of them unfortunately are gone.

    If this is correct, then the Mercedes 300 SL is overpriced since 30 years. So I cannot agree. As you said: only 150 were built. Only 150 men in the whole world can own a Miura SV or a LP400. The Miura was THE supercar of the late 60's and early 70's, the LP400 was THE supercar of mid 70's. The 300SL was THE supercar 20 years before the LP400, and I think that its price always has been adequate although more than 1400 were built.
     
  18. ralfabco

    ralfabco Two Time F1 World Champ
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  19. wolfing

    wolfing Karting

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    i will stay here..
     
  20. Olivier NAMECHE

    Olivier NAMECHE F1 Veteran

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    #2245 Olivier NAMECHE, Oct 24, 2008
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    Our friend from Austria camed to the 45° LamboParty with his wonderful LP400 VIN#1120038.
    LamborghiniRegistry reports that it was restored by factory and presented at 40th Anniversary celebration.

    That's not true...it belongs to our friend who had it fully restored to 100% factory standards by Top Motors Mr. Oracio Salvioli, it's an awesome restoration.

    For the ones who didn't know, Oracio Salvioli was Chief of customers service & restoration Dpt at factory for years...untill he retired when Audi took the ownership and replaced that factory restoration area for the staff "Ristorante".

    From my point of view, more than anybody else in the world, Oracio has the right/correct knowledge of what are "The Factory Standards", as he teached his son "Luca" for years. I believe that nobody else can claim or argue to match Oracio's skill, unless he worked at the factory too...like Wallace...
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  21. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    #2246 joe sackey, Oct 24, 2008
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    Ferry400:

    Its widely-known that Top Motors in Nonantola (Orazio Salvioli) acted as "agent" for the Lamborghini factory in the restoration of lots of cars. So when they say "restored by the Lamborghini factory" almost everybody knows Top Motors did the work. In fact we all laugh whenever the factory make the claim that they have restored such-and-such Miura or early Countach because we know they in fact farmed the work out to their agent. So dont take the "factory restoration" thing too literally... your post makes it sound like you're making some sort of new revelation, but we are well aware of the situation.

    And its Orazio not Oracio.

    By the way, 1120038 WAS presented at the factory at the 40th Annivesario celebration. Thats an indesputable fact witnessed by hundreds.





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  22. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    I should also mention that here in the USA besides Wallace we have another ex-factory veteran of great skill: Ingenere Claudio Zampolli.
     
  23. EMILIO

    EMILIO F1 Veteran

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    correct
    it is known that factory restos were ....around factory restos ;)


    Zampolli is a real engine wizard! all the people i know that had seen him at worck would agree on this

    may be he will come back to Bologna someday so i could have him make a tuned 4 liter in the old school way! :)
     
  24. ApexOversteer

    ApexOversteer F1 Veteran

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    I'm hoping these men have apprentices learning the craft so that these cars will have learned hands that know them after the greats have retired...
     
  25. Olivier NAMECHE

    Olivier NAMECHE F1 Veteran

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    Dear Joe,
    How should I reply...as english is not my motherlanguage, this was a "trickky" post and it is so sad that from the "top of your mountain" you have to comment my post...so sad you've taken this at 1st degree...it sounds to me (and may be to some others...) as The Inquisition...only "Priest" hold the Truth...most of the time I'm reading you comments with a lot of interest...

    Well, I was only speaking about the explanation written towards "all kind of readers" in the LamborghiniRegistry website, right/next to the pictures of #1120038.

    As you are sure aware of, that website is taken as a reference by many people worldwide (due to the wonderful job done by Glen), "Everybody" is not aware like you, me and a few other people that "factory restoration" is done by Oracio (Orazio or Oracio like Olivier//Oliver, John//Jean always the same word). As F-Chat is also consulted by "people" that do not necessary subscrite to it !

    There is no sort of new revelation (you are the only to have understood my post like that), it's only a precision/accuracy targetting these "people" not aware of the situation, that's it ! End of comment.
     

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