Button insists he is better at driving a bad car than Hamilton

Oh dear!! I really wish he hadn't said that...

Now where on earth has that Button fanatic Jim got to!!

 

Guess we will never really know.

 

wow jenson it's always better to keep your mouth shut. saying you would have done as well had you been in the mclaren is one thing, but saying he wouldn't have done as well as you driving the honda is just asking for it.

 

He shouldn't of said that, but he's probably right. A few people could have gotten it done with that car this year. Probably would have made less mistakes too.

 

Even you, eh!! Luis ...it's that easy in a Mclaren....

 

Do you think Vettel, Alonso, etc couldn't have won in that car? Alonso would have walked it, lol.

 

I do think the drivers above would have put up a better show than HK did, FA would have probably won it this year if he had stayed at Mclaren, but it's all if's and but's and FIA intervention..

Button as lewis's team mate, 1st year there no way!! Lewis in a Honda he would have done better than RB,IMO

 

Maybe better than RB but how about Button? He does have a valid point, nobody knows if Hamilton can deal with a car that is crap. He's always had the best equipment and never had to do it. Button has been dealing with this sled of a Honda for years now. he should have a better grasp of that situation than Hamilton would.

How much more respect did people gain for Alonso for all the work he did with Renault? Same with Senna in 93 when he won 5 races in car that was probably at least 50 HP down on the Williams? Winning in a great car is one thing, winning in a car that shouldn't be winning is another. It's the difference between a good driver and an expectional one.

 

one thing is true, Button's car this year was awful. If he had a better car he would definitely have done a better job. But we will never know what would have happened...let's hope he has a better car next year.

 

you guys talk like Lewis is a 3rd rate driver and I just don't understand why. Even with alonso as his teammate he finished above him last year. I personally do think Alonso is a little better of a driver than LH only because he stays more composed on track, but I'd put LH in the top 3 drivers (those being Kimi, Alonso, Hamilton)

 

That's not the insinuation. He's by no means third rate but he did make alot of mistakes this year compared to last. He was lucky that his main rival did as well.

 

Giancarlo Fisichella probably is too, but look how he did with a championship winning car, for two consecutive years.

 

Great F1 drivers don't finish 18th. Great F1 drivers get good cars because good teams want great drivers. Button finishes at the back of the pack because he isn't a great driver by F1 standards.

BUTTON SHUT UP!

 

100 percent agree

 

+1

 

I see it this way, LH in a underpowered car would be quicker than his team mate, now that is the factual measure we can make, we can assume that FA does give great feed back on set up etc, this maybe a trait that LH aquires as time goes on, there is no saying he isn't to bad at it now.

As regards to your feelings on Lewis, IMO you just don't like him, you see if there was the scenario where he was in a Renault like FA ,and he did the same as him, you still wouldn't like him. FA earlier in the year was crashing his car pushing it to the limit similar to what I feel Lewis would do.

New series of Top gear was on earlier, part of it done in the USA, it was brillant, one line I laughed at though, to quote Clarkson on the Stig " Some say if it was the Stig that had won the WDC last week, he wouldn't have had HIS dad grinning in the back ground!!....

 

I don't dislike Lewis, but i'm not a fan either. I generally root against him, but to each thier own. That being said, it doesn't mean I'm wrong about my assesment of his talent. If he ever proved, like Alonso did and several others have that he can develop a top 10 car into a winner then I'd be happy to give him his due. The reality is he never has and might not ever. That's why, to me, Alonso and a couple other drivers are on a slightly higher plane as far as I'm concerned. Could Hamilton turn out to be the total package? Absolutely, but he's not yet.


P.S. I'm tired of Hamilton's dad myself. Do we need to see coverage of him every damned race?

 

While I think there are drivers who would perform better than Hamilton in bad car, like Vettel has proven to do, I don't rate Button in that category. Imho he's constantly overrated, he has always been and will always be "the great talent"...

 

So there are those that think that because Lewis has not proven himself in a crap car, he has not proven himself to be a complete driver, and probably never will , because if he stay's in a Mclaren he will never have that chance!!, his history in lower formula meant nothing either, convenient, unlike Vettel who has, so he is a better driver, ermm.

 

Lol, don't get all worked into a frenzy, Steve. Most other drivers started with midfield teams, proved thier worth and moved up to a better team. Hamilton didn't have to do this, good for him, but tell me, if he's never been in the position to be an integral part of car development when the car is bad, how could he possibly be any good at it? That's one facet of Hamilton's game that we don't know about.

P.S. His history in the lower formula doesn't show anything about being any good in a bad car either. ART in GP2, ASM in F3 and Manor Motorsport in Formula Renault are all top teams.

 

If Hamis the best in a good car, Button is best in a bad car, who is best in a medium car ?
Are there categories for medium good and medium bad ?
The mind reels.

Jenson; How bout a big dose of STFU and concentrate on the hand you were dealt ?
Honda SHOULD be a force to contend with next year IF the drivers stop wishing on stars and put their nose to the grindstone.
Oh and apologize to your team-mates who designed and maintain your bucket of bolts.

 

I don't really accept the concept that experience/practice in a bad car makes one any better than if all time was spent in a good car. It would be pretty easy to argue that you would acquire bad habits or techniques trying to compensate for a Honda.

That said, Button may very well be correct that their performance would be very similar if they swapped cars. F1 drivers are all so good that, IMHO, it is the mostly racecar engineering that determines finishing order.

 

I see your point but how can it proved, we can't turn back time, IMO he would have just like looked like Vettel and FA and have been tipped for a top ride, he was tipped for a F1 WDC along time ago before he was even in F1, someone just won a fair amount of money on it. I don't watch feeder series races, but those that do picked him out to be a class act..

Luis, I think will can agree on one thing, we could keep going round in circles with this one...