The official replica/re-creation thread

Would really surprise me if anything of that is genuine, and I am by no means a GTO fundi. The form of the front fenders is all wrong, and if this were a development body towards the GTO it shouldn't have the rear lip. At 94k Sterling I think there are people around who can produce something better.

 

That is 5805GT looks good, just too short but that is just my view some may prefer the shorter wheelbase.

 

It appears that the line in the sand is a bit wavey.

 

Classiche serves a definite purpose if you can afford the car and their services.For those of us who cannot afford eather, an organization representing the cars we can afford, in mosr cases Ferrari replicas, is what is needed to bring some legitimacy and regulation to our efforts. just one man's opinion tongascrew

 

History is continuously repeating itself. 400's are now cheap, some, if not many, are neglected and will never rise to their former glory. No doubt a number of them will be 'recycled'. I know I could be tempted if the right example came my way.

A car that is beyond restoration is just that, a parts bin (at this particular point in time) Is anyone going to corner the 400 market anytime soon to save the species? I don't think so. Are 400's going to be sought after in 20 years time? Probably yes. And we'll all be singing the same song again.

 

Funny, we were talking about 'advertising standards' on the ClassicDriver site (in the 'Mystery' 250 Europa thread).

Check this one out:

http://www.classicdriver.com/uk/find/4100_results.asp?lCarID=1765262

How about an original 1962 Ferrari 250GTO bodyshell ??? (Made in Hong Kong - colour: Sliver).

Ooops !! Repost. See #67.

 

Some pics of s 250 SWB recreation...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v59/Ferrari360/Cars/SWb1-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v59/Ferrari360/Cars/SWB.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v59/Ferrari360/Cars/250SWBside.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v59/Ferrari360/Cars/250SWb5.jpg

 

That car just looks all wrong, can be recognised from a distance as a total fake. I believe the body is even plastic?

I suppose it'll make a fun track car, but find it an abomination that it gets to share space at the concours with a genuine 166 Touring barchetta. Very sad indeed. I wonder how many of that crowd there are walking around with fake Rolexes as well.

Nothing against that car except that it is said to have a genuine chassis, and the livery and badges need to come off. Drive it on the track and enjoy, but boy, stay away from a presentation at concours!

 

Agreed, I was convinced until I had a closer look at orginal SWB's, whats sad is the lot of people think its a real SWB and thats a shame in my opinion.

I wonder if it was entered for judging, surely not....if so I wonder how it scored....

 

The day will come when we will see a Concours d'Elégance for Replicas only............
Oh well, the world really is in deep s***

Marcel Massini

 

Yes Marcel, I understand. Just remember good*** makes the real flowers grow and look their best. just one man's opinion tongascrew

 

This is exactly why we need an organised forum for replicas. Just one m,an's opinion tongascrew

 

Well put and very true but as they say imitation is the greatest form of flattery....As a 24 yo Ferrari enthusiast what irks me about replicas that arent disclosed as such is the fact that many people think they are the real thing and end up totally misinformed...

 

You are absolutely right!! It does not belong on the same stand as a genujine 166 Touring barchetta or any other signifigant or insignifigant real Ferrar.. At least they don't seem to be trying to fool anyone. Where it does belong is with other replicas as part of a sanctioned replica Ferrari club. just one man's opinion tongascrew

 

And the day will come when all replicas must be factory certified too............
Marcel Massini

 

Just curious - I know replica owners are often shunned, but does the community look differently on someone with a replica if that person also owns another genuine Ferrari?

-DrC

 

Genuine Ferraris should be confiscated from people who own replicas.
Marcel Massini

 

The incredible arrogance and snobbery that exists in a big chunk of the Ferrari community never ceases to amaze me.

Some people are NOT dripping in wealth. Some people care more about the experience of a given car than the pedigree and dollar value. Some people view the cars as Enzo did, as tools for a job, as machines to be driven hard and enjoyed and not as ultra expensive exclusive status symbols for the extremely rich to use as yet another pedestal upon which to place themselves above the masses. If Ferrari is about ego for you.... then your missing the entire point as far as I am concerned.

The attitude of folks who think anyone who owns a replica should be scorned and excluded from the community of car enthusiasts disgusts me. Those who choose this snobbish and elitist position are the worst kind of people. They fail to see the passion the cars inspire in those who simply refuse to allow their financial limitations to prevent them from experiencing the cars that they love. Instead, they are more concerned that someone from a lower class that is unworthy of being in their company is encroaching in the lofty world the super rich would prefer to keep to themselves.

This nauseating attitude is a primary hindrance in my own passion for the Ferrari marque as compared to Porsche. I have never found this kind of elitism among P-car enthusiasts.

A very well done replica is pathway for many to fully experience the look, feel and excitement of driving one of these cars as it was meant to be driven. I have far more respect for the owner of a 250GTO replica who takes the car to the track and drives the piss out of it than the owner of a the real thing who never drives it and views it as either an investment or a show piece to exhibit his wealth.

If someone does not prefer to own a replica.... thats fine. But to look down on those who do is wrong. Despite what you may think, you are in fact NOT better than they are. Get over yourself.




Terry

 

My dearest Terry
I think there is a major mis-understanding. You may consider this arrogance but it is NOT.
It's not about snobbery. It's not about ego. It's not about wealth or NO wealth. It's not about lower class or super rich. Not at all. It's neither snobby nor elitist. I have never seen a Ferrari as either an investment or a show piece to exhibit wealth.

My philosophy is: If you cannot afford it, stay OUT of it. Period. Whatever product we talk about (Ferrari, Patek Philippe, Riva, G5, etc.)
How deceiving to yourself is it when you drive a replica and at the same time you know exactly that it is not the real thing? To me this is just plain dishonest.

The main problem however is, that most replica owners describe their car as the real thing. And that is even worse. I am not looking down on replica owners, I am just way too tired of all these poseurs, fakers, etc. They are all over the place. And don't forget all those wonderful 250 GT Pinin Farina Coupés and 250 GTE 2+2s that were butchered, served as donor cars for poor and lousy, cheap replicas. Every single GTE or PF Coupé has its own history and deserves to be preserved.

I think it is arrogance if a replica owner tries to be part of the world of the real, genuine and authentic Ferraris. Again, if you cannot afford it, why try to be part of a world that you don't belong to? And what would you tell your 12 year old son with whom you yesterday observed a replica Ferrari in the street? Will you tell him that it was just a replica only and not the real thing? Or will you let him believe that it was the real thing?

Wouldn't it be much better to still have dreams, to one day own a real Ferrari? Instead of buying a replica (that may be cheaper). If you run out of dreams you are basically dead. One should always have a wish list. This should be inspiration to work even harder so that one day you might be able to buy the car of your dreams. A real Ferrari.

I have plenty of millionaire and billionaire friends who own multi-million dollar Ferraris. That's all fine. I have no problem with that. Great for them, my congratulations. Many of them have worked very hard, some of them have had a lot of luck. But I equally admire all the more regular guys with their 330 GT 2+2s, their 365 GT 2+2s, a 365 GTC/4 or a 250 GT Coupé. In fact, I think they are even better. Many of them are extremely passionate and knowledgeable. They are working even harder and have just begun to fulfill their dreams. And they continue to dream and don't give up. And that's what I like.

Ciao
Marcel Massini

 

So what is the big deal,wonderful model.
Just come clean,odd way to sell a car?
I have a client whom would buy it.
But like any business person,would just walk away from this crap and buy another car.
IMO its a child playing a game.

 

This realy is the fundamental problem, I have no problem with replicas provided they are disclosed as such and not as an orginal car that they are not.

I agree I too have a lot of time for a guy that actually races a replica as apposed to an owner of an orginal that hides it away for nobody to see but now we are moving onto what constitutes a good replica and what constitutes a poor replica.

 

I really see it differently. A poser with a GTO-replica killed two cars: a GTE that died in the process of building a fake and another car in the lower end of the food chain that now goes to despair as there is nobody to love it.

For me that is complete waste of time and money. And yes - a "very well done replica" is an oxymoron.

Best wishes, Kare

 

In fact, there are TWO categories of Replicas:

On one side we have the cars constructed with a NEW chassis and NEW Replica body, and FITTED or NOT FITTED with a Ferrari engine. For me, those are the REAL Replicas and they are acceptable (No damage for the REAL Ferrari's).

On the other side we have the cars constructed with a MODIFIED Ferrari DONOR chassis and NEW Replica body, and FITTED with a Ferrari engine. For me, the cars from that second category are NOT acceptable.

The problem is that there is the DONOR car (250GT 2+2, 330GT 2+2, etc...) and I can't understant WHY some people continue to DESTROY such beautifull 2+2 to create such POOR GTO-Replicas. A massacred 2+2 donor car is destroyed forever, and a GTO-Replica is NO more a REAL Ferrari, but just a thing with NO history. I'm disgusted to see how many such 2+2 were and are STILL destroyed (or modified?). Yes, what a mess! A real mess!

In spite of the numerous threads where this problem was discussed, I see that some people CAN'T understand this: Is a Pininfarina 250 GT 2+2 not a beautifull Ferrari? Frankly, if I had the choice between such a Pininfarina 250GT 2+2 and two Fake-GTO's I would be happy to have the 2+2 in my garage...

 

I forgot... This is what is left of a "only" Ferrari 250GT 2+2 Pininfarina. Hope the new owner found somebody who build him a Replica-Chassis (maybe in China for a good price), becaused the Real-Chassis is lost.
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Look at that. No apparent body damage at all, but ripped apart. Maybe one day it'll drive around on a specially made chassis with a non-Ferrari engine. There must be plenty similar bodies sitting tucked away in old warehouses. Rape.