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So sad to see what were decent cars cut up like that....when one looks at how rare these cars are it makes it even more of a shame, would we cut a Van Gough to put it in a smaller frame, I think not.

 

Amen

 

But a replica based of a 250GTE is still a "real" ferrari, maybe just not the one it looks like. As long as no one pretends it is period construction ewhat is the big deal, same car same enjoyment different provenance. Crappy replicas are of course another issue.

 

I agree all 250 and 330 series cars are beutiful, how many of the cut up old cars would have survived the last 30 years when people just thought they were cheap old rust buckets not worth the price of fixing. I doubt today that people cut up any decent 250 series cars for replicas.

BTW no one has yet answered whether it is OK to take a scrap 400I and make a ferrari special out of it, or use the engine and some bits for say a p4 replica. Bear in mind that many a 400I will just be scarapped.

 

+1,000,000,000,000,000

 

Marcel,

Your standpoint begs an inevitable question.

What is your view on cut-off 275 GTB's and Daytona's? They become in their own right replica's of cars that are way more expensive as originals than their tin hat coupe counterparts.

It's a fine line indeed!

 

Yes I did, but it was tucked away within some other answers.

I would cut up a 400 if it were to go to the scrapyard, but not to re-create something that already exists. I actually quite like 400's, always found their style to be really elegant and somehow timeless. They are, however, not particularly rare, and many have become in a state of disrepair, like other luxery saloons often do. The mechanicals, however, are quite sophisticated, and I would put a body on it in the spirit of a Ferrari, but not a copy of one. I would end up with something that nobody would or could dispute in a sense of it being something it isn't, but instead something I could be proud of as my own unique creation.

That said, even 550's with body-damage are not very expensive in Europe, and they are a still better candidate for such a project.

 

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Marcel,

Your standpoint begs an inevitable question.

What is your view on cut-off 275 GTB's and Daytona's? They become in their own right replica's of cars that are way more expensive as originals than their tin hat coupe counterparts.

It's a fine line indeed!

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Hi Jack,

com'on you started this thread. What do YOU think about it? All answers are possible and the answer of marcel massini is quite obvious as any mod on cars is wrong (and I follow him a long way). Cutting a roof is not done, and the cars that have been split (275's) are less in value than those who didn't. Besides the value, things like these feels like listening to "paint it black" performed by the local school band. Or seeing the chineese tourguide wearing a Rolex, or Paris Hilton talking about Shakespeare, or Antonio selling a 250 Europa.......

ciao
Oscar

 

I haven't been a member of this forum for long, but I am willing to bet that Marcel has a somewhat negative view on cut cars.

 

Thanks

 

Oscar,

I asked the question because I hadn't formulated my own thoughts about this yet.

If, sor arguments sake, I had had a Daytona berlinetta in 1974 and desperately wanted a spider, I think I would have cut it without any second thought, if there were no spiders available to my liking, or if they were outside my price range. Would I do it today? No.
Mirrored to a current situation, if I had a 599 now, and I don't particularly like some details of it, I'd change them in a heartbeat. Yes, it's a Ferrari, but it is also a new car which in concept and form is offered to you as a ready made (relatively) mass product. It may be the one coming closest to my desires, but that doesn't make it perfect, and thus I take the liberty to change it. If I am flush enough I'd ask Pinin Farina to do it, if not, well, I'll do it myself. An open top 456 wouldn't be so bad either (was done for Brunei) and to me that just demonstrates that time changes the perception of things dramatically.
Of course there is a vast difference in the numbers that are produced today vs. the numbers of the cars we are talking about in this forum.

 

+1

 

Cut cars have been modified and hence no longer are original.
Why cut a Ferrari? Makes no sense to me. (Almost) destroys another genuine automobile. Silly. And for $$$ only.
No, I do NOT like modified cars or cut Berlinettas. They are no longer authentic and no longer genuine.

Marcel Massini

 

Richard Straman of Costa Mesa/CA cut a few 456 GTs into Spiders.

Marcel Massini

 

See post #111.

Marcel Massini

 

Here is such a "converted" Daytona. The trunk is too flat on this one. Poor Daytona's... How many were "converted"? And where are the many roofs? There is a photo somewhere in a book with a pile of such roofs behind Sheehan's shop. It's a shame.
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The day will come when all the cut Daytona Spiders will be re-roofed back to Berlinettas.
The photo you mention with the cut roofs is on page 137 of the book "The Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Daytona", authored by Pat Braden and Gerald L. Roush.
Marcel Massini

 

Yes, I hope so! I just counted about 10 roofs on that photo...

 

I currently show MORE than 145 Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Berlinettas cut and converted into Spiders.

Marcel Massini

 

+1000000

I completely agree with Mr Massini on this.

 

That is an amzing amount.

I fail to understand how so relatively few spiders were sold new if the model proved so popular later. What was the price difference when new?
The statement that cut-off GTB/4's will get roofs welded back on starts making sense.

 

Dear Marcel.

May I have your opinion on re-creations. There is currently an interesting thread started here: http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=222292

Can cars basically rebuilt from the ground up (from original chassis and some bodywork) be considered the genuine thing? Also since such cars do not have the original (or period factory retrofit) engine and gearbox still be considered original?

best.

 

Isn't this crazy? More than the original spiders. All those wasted cars... What a mess!

 

Chassis number tacked on, on a separate plate. Nice catch! Engine is way too young, etc etc.
The old question: how much of the original car must be in there for it to be an original Ferrari? The piece of chassis with the original stamping is apparently not present. That, however, to me is academical. It could make a pretty car though.