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What does "partially" certified mean?

Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by stratos, Nov 20, 2008.

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  1. stratos

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  2. JazzyO

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    I think I'm still trying to figure out what "Certified" means. Let alone partially.


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  3. T308

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  4. solofast

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    I figure that it means that the owner is certifiable......
     
  5. mdsaxon

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    Good one!
     
  6. bigodino

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    Its no joke, its on their website....
     
  8. tomgt

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    +1 FC is imho BS and an empty formality.
     
  9. stratos

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    But guys the car in question is a TdF not just anything. What may a "partial" certification mean? Engine change? Gearbox? What?
     
  10. tomgt

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    IF:
    - original engine, x points
    - original chassis or partial, x points
    - body, x points
    - parts, x points
    - etc

    But it is very hard to certify cars that are 40-50 years old. Spare chassis (period made), spare original engines, new made engines
    If one has period used tubes (old stock), good stamps and welds like in the old days, you can imagine that it is very hard to say whether it is original or not.
    The buyer pays for what he THINKS it is.

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  11. f308jack

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    All I ever see here about Classiche is rather negative. If it is not 'recognized' here, then where is it?
     
  12. tomgt

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    at auctions maybe? If you can present it the value may a bit higher. Some auctions only allow ferrari certified cars, what a joke.
    eg If Preston Henn sells 06885 it does not need a paper from them, the ferrari world knows the car very well.

    It's a people's mind thing
     
  13. GTE

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    well known cars do not need a piece of paper to prove their credetails, but I think owners of lesser known or even unknown cars can benefit from a factory confirmation of authenticity (because that is what it is).
     
  14. Marcel Massini

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    It is not about the car, it is about the people, the buyers that know little and haven't done their homework or are not willing to spend some $ to have homework done properly. I would say it is more the problem of buyers with lesser knowledge and lack of experience. And that is exactly the niche which the factory tries to fill in.

    As for 0899 GT, the TDF which started this thread, why not ask the guys who are offering it? What exactly is certified and what not?

    Marcel Massini
     
  15. 275gtb6c

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    As for 0899 GT, the TDF which started this thread, why not ask the guys who are offering it? What exactly is certified and what not?

    Marcel Massini[/QUOTE]

    The certification will be given after the original matching number engine is reunited with the car. The factory can/will arrange this according to the seller, of course with additional costs and a remake. I visited the car a year ago (very nice owner in Monaco, and nice seller in South France) but I choose for another car. The history is nice, but body is wrong (newly made in the 80's). Chassis molested and repaired. Not really an A2 car......

    Ciao
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  16. tomgt

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    The certification will be given after the original matching number engine is reunited with the car. The factory can/will arrange this according to the seller, of course with additional costs and a remake. I visited the car a year ago (very nice owner in Monaco, and nice seller in South France) but I choose for another car. The history is nice, but body is wrong (newly made in the 80's). Chassis molested and repaired. Not really an A2 car......

    Ciao
    Oscar[/QUOTE]

    Oscar,
    But what if an owner decide to buy a new engine stamped by FC in stead of buying the original (or not willing to pay, that happened!)
    Or if one shows up with the original body or chassis in stead of a period spare one. It can very well happen Ferrari certifies cars which should not have been, is it?
    Best
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  17. 275gtb6c

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    #18 275gtb6c, Nov 22, 2008
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    Hi Tom,

    They are talking about a FC remake (see above). They can require this, make it, sell it and certify it.......

    regards,
    Oscar
     
  18. f308jack

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    So they created a sort of monoploy there. Will they certify it as such, and will there be an entry in the papers? That should then read that there is actually a replica engine in the car.

    What would a complete remake of such an engine cost?
     

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