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Horrible story: Wal-Mart worker dies after shoppers knock him down

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  1. Peloton25

    Peloton25 F1 Veteran

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    This is unbelievable... :mad:

    Hopefully they identify and charge a few people for this crime. Just awful.

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  2. 62 250 GTO

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  3. js430

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    Why should they charge just a few people who actually made contact with him? It's not like they could have held back the crowd that was pushing them in. The only people liable are Walmart management for not anticipating the mob and putting in adequate safety and security measures. There were injuries last year...it's not like this was totally unforeseeable.

    I don't understand the mentality of the people who que up for hours in the cold and dark just to save a few bucks. That's the truly sad part--what people have been reduced to. Is an Xbox at 30 bucks off really that important? Effing people. Hands up all of you who took part in this "ritual", or stood in line for an iphone. Please do society a favor and pull your lower lip over your forehead and swallow.
     
  4. GrndLkNatv

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    Our population these days includes herds of stupid people better known as sheeple or cattle. Basic scum who only think for themselves or as they are programmed to be.. Walmart should have armed guards in the front of their stores to keep these herds of stupid buffalo under control.
     
  5. djui5

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    I'm surprised they didn't make everyone step back from the door before they opened it. Thankfully we didn't have any accidents today at our store, but everyone was in the building as we are a 24hr store. There was a little hussying but nothing too bad really. Sold a LOT of stuff today! Way more than last year which is good. I'm not so sure the economy is doing that bad after seeing the chaos unfold today.

    My thoughts go out to this person's family. No one should have to endure a trampling. That is just uncalled for. I really hope the people who trampled him think twice about shopping next year. I really hope they can't sleep at night.
     
  6. AustinMartin

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    Wow. That is uncalled for, whoever took part in this should be brought to justice.
     
  7. GregD

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    Sad Story but I'm not surprised. Not a nice way for his family to end Thanksgiving. I too blame the management 100%. They should have had extra security outside the store but that would have cost a few extra $'s and someone would have had to explain that extra cost at the next management meeting.

    I'm sure they are very well aware of all the intimate details of what makes up a walmart shopper and specifically the segement that waits outside on certain holiday sales. I think they've even had this problem in the past.


    If that were a So. California Walmart store, he would have lost his watch, wallet, & shoes as well.
     
  8. Gilles27

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    Something close to this seems to happen every year. For a corporation the size of Wal-Mart to implement lax security measures is unforgivable. They're going to get filleted in court.
     
  9. SefacHotRodder

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    I used to drive by this very wal mart a lot. It was right near where my ex lived
     
  10. WJHMH

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    I wouldn't be surprised if the family & the injured parties involved drag this out in a very ugly lawsuit, despite the current state of the economy, Wal-mart is doing better than most retailers.
     
  11. vvvmd

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    Nothing short of guards armed with tear gas and riot gear are going to keep a mob from behaving like one. They crushed the metal door frames for Pete's sake. Having a couple of rent-a-cops there would not have prevented this.
     
  12. Mark(study)

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    Sad story.

    But this entire idea is so stupid.

    At a local Best Boy, a gang of 7 professional thugs camped out for 2 days. They bought all the big ticket sales items at 5:00am and where selling the items out of the back of two SUV's in the Best Buy parking lot by 6:00am for a small mark-up.

    System seems to work better if you give away raffle tickets to everyone that comes in for the first hour, and then call out prizes or chances to buy the deep discounted items
     
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  14. js430

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    It would have. It's not intentional behavior, as in looting. It was just an effect of many people pushing--the presence of guards is an effective deterrent to mobs getting out of control. Of course 2 guards can't control a crowd of 2,000. But several guards placed in very visible positions prevents the first 20 or 100 from beginning the "surge"...behavior that forms the tipping point for this sort of tragedy to unfold.
     
  15. js430

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    Well put. I can't believe the fat cows (why do they always dress in sweats?) gloating over their "savings" on TV. Are there really that many people in such dire need of a life? Wow. And it's on the day after Thanksgiving, when they were supposed to have recalled all that they have. Jesus!
     
  16. djui5

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    Sales up 7.7 percent last quarter.
     
  17. anunakki

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    I tend to agree.

    Nobody respects rent a cops and they wouldnt have been able to stop an event this out of control.

    Of course i dont blame Walmart either. I blame these disgusting pigs disguised as humans.
     
  18. SMS

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    I agree. And if people were clammoring for food when this happened I'd beging to believe what I hear about the death of the economy, but they were going for TVs and Ipods, which makes this even more disgusting.
     
  19. TexasF355F1

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    Doesn't this happen almost every year?

    It made me really disgusted when I heard about this. It's really really sad that people are so material hungry that they'll trample others to save a few bucks.
     
  20. Gilles27

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    And what adds to the disgusting nature is how nobody seems to stop and help--no concern for other people. These people get passed by as they lay there dying. I've been in some sweaty mosh pits where someone goes down and people stop to help them up. Nice to know you're safer at a Korn concert than Wal-Mart.
     
  21. Oceanic815

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    An excellent point- mosh pit participants do help others who have fallen in a mosh pit, and quickly too.

    On a side note: People still listen to Korn?
     
  22. ferrari_jjc

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    Amazing how people can get to save a few bucks.
     
  23. js430

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    #23 js430, Dec 1, 2008
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    This is human nature. Studies have been done that show people in crowds assume someone else will take care of a problem. Out in the woods, when there is no one else to rely on, people come through. Women in city housing blocks crying rape don't have people responding to their cries for help for the same reason. The kid in the bus in Canada who got stabbed and decapitated didn't get any help because 40+ people assumed it was up to someone else to deal with it. Only close relatives who care about you will overcome this crowd mentality in an emergency. Otherwise, you are better off being in a deserted place with fewer people around--you will be more likely to get help.

    It is very, very stupid to blame individuals in the crowd for this. No individual is strong enough to hold back a crowd of 2000 pushing, jostling people who may not even be aware that there is an emergency. And when you are running in a herd of people, you are likely to step on someone who has fallen down before you even realize that you are stepping on a human being. You are just worried about not getting trampled yourself and keeping your balance, and most likely you won't be looking down on the ground.

    If anything, Walmart management is to blame. It was not unforeseeable. It was not uncontrollable with the adequate crowd control measures, such as proper barriers and visible deterrents such as rentacops or real police.

    It is very easy to point fingers and blame others, but if you are the type to go stand in line at 5am just so you can get your grubby little paws on a Nintendo Wii for a $20 savings, then you most likely would have been part of the herd that trampled the guy to death.
     
  24. Gilles27

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    LOL! It's been a few years...
     
  25. 62 250 GTO

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    It's sooooooooo easy to avoid, let 50 people in at one time, line jumpers or people who push, get tossed to the back of the line. Let the 50 or a hundred {depending on the size of your store} in the store slowly and speak to them as you're getting ready to let them in, open the doors, then lock them following the 50 people. When people start coming out, let that many people in the front door. It's easy and safe.
     

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