Ebay Car Auctions: On The Level?

i've read about "pinging". i do not know that means but it was me who was bidding the car at +$1 increments.

 

I read the thread (and followed the auction too). To me, it is the disgrace of eBay which once again rears its ugly head. Moreover, how can a "dealer" be unable to pay? Crap, or get off the pot.

Sorry for being so blunt, but if I were Tom, I'd be livid.

 

I assume you mean TomF-1, the legit bidder, not Tom Atlanta the seller.

 

The actual term is "shill bidding". This will get a person tossed off eBay pretty quickly. Basically it's the bidding up of an auction with the intent of raising the final purchase price and not actually buying the item. Hopefully, the guy's bogus shill bid won the auction and he gets stuck with the fees for the final sale price!

 

Common enough that honest people don't trust eBay.

 

True.

 

The moderator should not have closed the thread.

 

F-Chat may have legitimate concern over liability, as elements of the thread could be construed as having facilitated or fostered shill bidding.

Closing the barn after the cavalino has bolted, surely, but limiting all the same.

 

Very common. I assume damn near every bid - for car or other - from bidders having >2 or 3 ebay transactions that are placed earlier than the closing hours of an auction are shill bids. Why else (excepting noobs who don't yet know the game or bidders who won't be around to bid the close) would someone bid in the 1st few hours/days of an auction?!

 

Dude, are you going to make it or do I need to get you a therapy session?? Never closed to protect a sponsor or buddy. There were 3 pages of responses and a explanation was given. The car was sold.

Robert

 

That the car has sold is not unambiguously clear, and the conduct of the auction continues to be a subject worthy of discussion.

 

That car is far from being sold until it changes hands. I agree it is a worthy topic to discuss especially since people here were interested in purchasing it and the seller himself had a thread here marketing it. I don't see a problem with healthy discussion.

 

This is not a legitimate response, an any way.

 

Why the discussion over a closed thread, when this thread had really nothing to do OP's Fchat's administration.....

So, in response to keep it on track:

1. yes common enough that I always don't trust certain auctions and I have bought many large ticket items to include several cars and art works.
2. ebay should do something, but probably will not. It as it kind of is an accepted norm and what makes ebay, for all it's 900#'s of clout, such a topic of hatred: think Microsoft.
3. we all know: That's worse than ebay.

 

Mark,

I spoke with the seller over the phone and was told the car was sold. Worthy?? What does that mean really?? If, in fact this is (was) a sham sale what can any of us really do about it and why worry so much about the outcome. Were you an interested buyer? From what I am hearing if it were true, this happens frequently and Ebay does nothing. Apparently they hand out 14 day sale bans.

On the other end the seller will likely not be selling another Ferrari any time soon. I guess I am more interested in moving on then worrying about an Ebay sale. What more would you like to see happen? You have stated your feelings and I know mine.

Robert

 

No bully tactics, just being fair. Actually, the original thread was closed by another mod and it was agreed at the end of the auction that original thread would again be closed. So I closed it again. The second thread was fast becoming a he said, she said and does not benefit the community:

1.2 No "Trolling": Please do not post any topic that disrupts the peace and harmony of this community. Don't create meaningless threads with the sole purpose of starting a dispute. This includes messages in profiles and signatures.

Contact the op, contact Ebay.

My opinion does not matter and I am simple acting on this issue as a moderator.

By the way feel free to fill out your profile anytime and share with us who you really are, how about that for a conspiracy.

Robert

 

That thead-- and whether or not there was a bona fide sale at $100K-- was probably the most valuable data point on this whole site to assess current market value.

far more imformative than the plethora of "specualtion threads" asking "what is this car worth?"

 

The word is "censor"...

And if you have issues with eBay it should be addressed THERE not HERE...

Shill bidding is costly to participants and most likely illegal it's definately frowned upon.....I didn't read the locked thread it's in discussion now what to do with it..

Ungrounded accusations do no good, and some of these participants are known long time chatters....if you mess with TomF-1, he'll have his pet parrot bite the crap out of you..I have seen pictures.....

Personally I would never buy a car off ebay, I like to look the guy in the eye, you know...I am buying one today that is currently on there but no matter.....

 

that is a better topic of discussion.

OP: Please take your side topic on TOS to Police area or somewhere...you started a decent thread [even for your mantra], which could be well discussed, and now it is off topic.



NOW: I suspect that sold value is NOT the market worth. Otherwise, ALL 360's would be within 10% of that and certainly such isn't the case.