The official replica/re-creation thread

Took the words out of my mouth - I really want to see that movie.


Onno

 

it looks very amazing in the naked aluminium
loving this project!

 

Hmmm ... I thought the sharknose would have been made in fibreglass. It would have been around this period surely that Ferrari moved to fibreglass? I guess it must have been later, but one of my books has a disturbingly great photo of employees for Ferrari creating a fibreglass body absolutely covered in the stuff.

Pete

 

Quite amazing.

I noted with interest the operation of 2 separate electrical systems, a 12 Volt battery for everything, with the starter operating on a separate 6 Volt battery. Why?

 

Yesterday i saw a real and a fake 250 GTO at the Essen Motorshow

Real had no pricetag, fake was 150k euros and i think it was based on a 330 GT

 

Interesting question.

Jan, where are you?

(I bought a copy of La Passione some time ago at Rétromobile but it never worked, not on my DVD rec nor the laptop so still looking around)

 

If Ferrari were serious about protecting their brand they would buy this car and cut it up. Use the parts left over as spare parts, etc.

Instead as there is no money to be made from the above they will either do nothing or sue. Sad.
Pete

 

I'm unaware of Ferrari actually suing anyone, as someone's car is their personal property and they can do anything they want to it. I wonder what kind of a case Ferrari could make if someone tried to sell a rebodied car.

 

Didn't Ferrari sue Fave?

Pete

 

Don't worry, they will sue, I know someone who has already had a huge writ issued against him for daring to sell a replica.

 

In the USA alone there are 520 law suits pending, yes, fivehundredandtwenty.
In Europe there are several going on right now, including one against a fellow fchatter in The Netherlands.
Marcel Massini

 

A replicar in Australia is in the process of being broken up and sold off for parts, with the body being cut up.Owner does not want any drama,ree his replicar.

 

It was 1963 IIRC, after Surtees joined them and brought information on GRP from the UK; there are many pics of the '61-'62 cars with extra intakes to cool the drivers crudely cut and formed into the ali bodies at the race circuit.

Paul M

 

Hi
This is my first post at the F-chat website, and I have great respect for the opinion that Marcel Massini and others have in this matter about the cars that I love so much.
Regarding recreations, my opinion is that a replica/recreation is ok as long as the owner does not pretend to have an original car or tries to sell it as such. As long as the cars is sold as eg "sportscar with Ferrari-looks" it is fine with me. I love vintage Ferraris and I hope that one day at least I can afford a 250 GTE or a 330GT 2+2 (or perhaps a Dino 246GT). I would sacrifice a lot to enjoy a V12 Ferrari, thats for sure.
That said, if I was given the opportunity to instead - for the same money or slightly more- be able to buy a perfect (and I mean PERFECT with all the "right" parts, even if reproduced) replica of say a 250 GT SWB Berlinetta or a 250MM I would consider that. Simply because I do not have the money to buy the real thing, and it would give me the greatest satisfaction to own a car that would give (almost) the same sensations as the real car.
My name is not Bill Gates, Warren Buffet or Mick Jagger. Nor am I the Sultan of Brunei. I have realized that I will probably not be in a position financially to pay $4 M for the real thing, unless I win the grand prize in the national lottery. And the difference between eg the 250GTO totally renovated by Mototechnique in UK a while ago, or some other nut-and-bolt, bare metal restoration where all the "soul" of the car has been taken away, compared to a perfect recreation is in my opinion just the satisfaction in knowing that the car in fact 45 years ago was assembled in Maranello, and not somewhere else. Not saying that it doesn´t matter. But after all, as soon as you do the first oil/filter change on a new car it is not completely original anymore.....

If I had the money I would go for the real thing for sure (and the Rolex on my wrist IS a genuine one, made in Switzerland...!), but people buying a rare Ferrari just to place it in a museum or take it to Pebble Beach in a trailer, whats the point? I think that many people buying rare Ferraris nowadays are more into investing money than buying a thoroughbred to enjoy driving it.
They were built to be driven fast, not just to have the body waxed twice a week. Thats why I would consider a recreation, to be able to take one of these beautiful machines for a spin a sunny Sunday morning. Not to show off, or try to pretend that I am somebody that I am not, but for myself. I would prefer a reproduced engine and gearbox - I don´t like all the butchered wrecks of "lesser cars" laying around or for sale on e-bay.
I do not care if the cars a worth $1M or $2M or $4M or $10M, I love the design, the sound from the exhaust pipes and the sensation the engine gives me.

But the real question in this post is:
Regarding eg the Chris Rea replica of the 156 F1 for his film, whats Ferrari SPA´s opinion about that? Is there a ongoing lawsuit between Rea and Ferrari? If not, why? Being a celebrity, is he entitled to do whatever he likes when it comes to reproducing "Ferraris"? And to the people having a hard time finding the DVD, maybe it is Ferrari SPA that has destroyed all the copies because mr Rea is pretending that he has a Ferrari 156?
In my opinion, he has built a nice (perfect?) copy of a racecar that he loves. It was not built in Maranello, nor by an italian I think. Regardless of that, he built the car because it meant something to him. I know that no real cars survived, and maybe he would have the money to buy one if he could, but what is really the difference between a very,very nice SWB replica and his car?

/M

 

+ 10 trillion!

I fully agree with your well written post and will NEVER change my view point from that, particulalry if some dare to say ridiculous and deeply ofensive things such as "If you can't afford it stay out" How dare anyone presume to command others to not have dreams and realize them: very upsetting. Those people are akin to the taliban who threw acid at little girls going to school but one, blided by that, said she would never stop going to school. That is the spirit and as long as a car is not mispresented now or later and as long as a healthy or restorable Ferrari is not used then there is nothing objectionable in my book.
Of course we will never change the mind of those who think otherwise, as I mentioned in an earlier post this is the sort of debate that stays deadlocked, partly due to convictions partly due to speaking with the heart or with the wallet.

Best regards,

Marc

 

Lol, with 300 real vintage Ferraris scrapped for lousy replicas, I think you are seeing talebans in the wrong end of the field. Best wishes, Kare

 

+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000..............

BTW, I think the number of real vintage Ferraris destroyed for replicas is much higher than 300, it is closer to 500, I guess.
Boanos & Ellenas possibly 40, 250 GTE 2+2s possibly 250, 250 GT PF Coupés possibly 120, 330 GT 2+2s possibly 150 or even more.
So sad!

Marcel Massini

 

Thanks for that information. I was totally unaware that Ferrari was actually trying to do something to stop people destroying something like a real 250GTE to create a fake 250 SWB.

 

I alone saw 15 chassis of Boanos & Elenas at a very "special" place in Italy 4 years ago.......! And I know another place in Bella Italia where 6 chassis of PF-coupes are silently waiting to become a different identity.......!

Ciao!
Walter

 

Misunderstanding!
They are not trying to do something to stop people destroying real GTEs............they don't care if people destroy Ferraris.
They are trying to protect their image and brand. They are suing replica builders and dealers who offer replicas. But they don't stop people destroying real Ferraris.
Marcel Massini

 

To extrapolate from Marcel and Marc Sonnery's posts, I think everyone would agree that the days of people chopping vintage Fcars to make replicas needs to cease.
However, the real reason of my post is this- I can't stop Lolling over the fact that Marcel typed 57 zeros after his +1. Hilarious.

 

Thanks for the clarification

 

I am aware of the suit v. Favre, who was a destroyer/rebuilder. What are the other suits? Are they v. builders, or owners/end-users? I see a big difference. This issue is akin to the suits v. fake Gucci mfrs. and retailers. Gucci has proceeded, I think, v. mfrs and retailers, but not, I think, v. Mrs. Smith, who just had to have one. Marcel, if you or anyone has any info, please post it.

 

+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

(20 zeros)

 

I guess part of the question is a 250GTE rebodied as a GTO as much of a real Ferrari as a "factory built" GTO? In either case, Ferrari didn't build the coachwork. Can Ferrari still sue because they "authorized" the coachwoork design on the real car, and not on the "replica"??? I realize thge chassis and the engines of the 250GTE and GTO are not the same, but they both are still Ferrari...