The official replica/re-creation thread

Does it matter to you guys if the replica is correct down to the last nut and bolt?
What is your opinion about the oh so nice, and oh so correct C-type Jaguars built by especially one company in the UK (don´t remember the name), where everything - and I mean everything - is correct, down to the wrapping on the electrical wires etc?
If its the way the car handles/looks/feels/smells you could very well drive one of their replicas.
But ok, it is no real C-type and has no works history but hey, who said it had?



And, I post the questions once more. Can anyone answer them?

 

2 points Dr. Stu;
first, I know you meant 60 zeros- 20 sets of 3 each. Yes, that would be more than Marcel.
second, and more importantly-
the use of +1 is widely understood. What Marcel did to that standard was to create art by adding the 57 zeros to it. What you did was to merely imitate Marcel and attempt to raise the stakes by adding a 20th set.
In summation, first we had art (Marcel). Then we had a REPLICA (Dr. Stu).

Accordingly, Fchat Police- paging L Wayne- please chop up Dr Stu's post.

 

I'm happy someone understood my joke

 

When these cars leave Proteus, Lynxx or any of the other manufacturers, they do not have Jaguar badges on them, nor are they registered as such.
No idea about the UK laws these days, but it used to be something to the effect that a design (body could not be protected longer than 10 years, this last info from memory and picked up longer ago than wish to remember.

I can't answer the Rea Sharknose question.

 

um, why was the title of this thread about Jan Biekens sharknose project that I started almost 4 years ago just changed to "the offical replica thread"??????? odd

 

Yes I wondered why my fibreglass comment in regards to that car ended up in this thread ... makes me look like the nutter I really am ... LOL

I guess it is a replica ... but importantly I do not believe any Dino has suffered because of this project, and the destruction of real Ferraris for replicas has to be the reason we must all hate replicas that use real cars.
Pete

 

I thought the Chris Rea sharknose was an appalling thing with only a vague resemblance to the real thing, form 20 meters ! It also shows what hypocrites Ferrari can be by honouring such a piece of junk at the 1997 anniversary event in Rome.

 

Pigs don't fly. I have the word "replica" appearing 428 times in my files. Means approximately as many failed attempts to build a "correct replica". They were not aimed at being perfect, they are aim at making money, so many corners have been cut. Best wishes, Kare

 

Dear Ed

I do know more about these law suits but for obvious reasons cannot say too much. Let me just add that the law suits are against builders of replicas, not against private owners. These suits are also against DEALERS (not factory official dealers), but against regular car dealers, who advertise replicas. The goal seems to be that in the future nobody (no business, no dealer) can sell F replicas anymore. Just private individuals that are not hurting the image, reputation and brand. Another goal might be that in the future all car dealers (not the official ones) can only offer factory-sanctioned (and certified!) cars because everything else is considered not an F car. Talk albout control of the market.

Marcel Massini

 

Donor car is still ruined , thus makes no difference to me.

Pete

 

kare; see post# 86 on the "patina" thread.. you can make an exact replica..just don't get too serious about it and make sure it's never confused with the real thing...and of course you can have an exact dino engine..crosswaith and gardiner will make you one.....that's where you go for a 2900b engine , or perhaps an auto-union d-type engine. after those a little v-6 should be easy. all you need is phone and a checkbook.

 

.........and NO moral and NO ethics and NO honesty (not even with yourself!).........

Marcel Massini

 

hey pal- i am a moral, ethical, honest guy...i wanted to build a bugatti to exact specifications and did so. i made sure the BOC knew what i was doing so no one would get fooled. the point about c&g is that if you want a part duplicated without destroying a "real" part is that you can. if you own a "real" gto with a broken crankshaft you can have the original one duplicated exactly rather than installing "almost" the right crank. if i want to i can have them make me a complete AU type-d or a miller 91 front drive to run at my private track. the late bob sutherland did exactly that with the miller....he created casting patterns and forging dies from original [not copies] of leo goosen drawings to make his...now, many years later, real cars are being completed with parts made possible by him. trust me, [well, maybe difficult for some] the world of nut for bolt-factory drawing replicas is not a place for the weak or those without means...you will never recover your time or money.

 

As discussed people have strong opinions about this topic, thus react strongly to the opposing view and I don't think anyone wants to see good cars damaged for the sake of making replicas.

So to conclude are we in agreement that as long as:

-A Ferrari -fit or not- is not destroyed to create a replica.

- That actually rare hard to find Ferrari parts are not used, only common ones.

-The replica is not misrepresented (I'll make prancing donkeys as hood badges if I have to)

-It is not displayed at or near any big Ferrari or general car events.

-That it is made for the end user and not made for sale.

-That, assuming it resembles the real thing enough to be confused with it, which is unlikely, there are hidden clues, provided to historians such as Marcel but not to anyone else so that upon the passing of the replca's owner the sale of the car and any subsequent sales remain free of the risk of misrepresentation.

All I would want for my dream replica (which is years away if ever: just a day dream for now to be perfectly clear, don't shoot a comet that is seven galaxies away) is a 365GTC/4 engine (or that of a 365GT4 2+2) transmission, drivetrain. Period. I don't care if the dash switches are by Ferrari or Toyota: the car would be purely to drive, hard and fast and to look at, not with the eyes of a Pebble judge but with those of a romantic. The rest can be non Ferrari bits into a tubeframe chassis. Yes I read all the articles by Sheehan on the real complications, costs of replicas but more importantly have spoken casually to people in Italy, the UK and the US.
Voila: Marcel as stated I will buy you a beer in Gstaad though you will probably be too busy with more important people than little me to accept.

Anyway: I agree with my humble statement with 61 or more zeros +100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

best regards,

Marc

 

Marc,

Putting what is acceptable in words, let alone a legal framework, is impossible. There are just too many variables.

I also don't see what recourse SpA has if a dealer constructs a vehicle on a Ferrari chassis, which resembles a Ferrari from the past, but is not called a Ferrari and has no factory badges or emblems on it demoniating it as such.

The brand has become more important than the cars, didn't SpA make more money out of franchised products last year than out of the production of cars? (Where to verify this?)

It's hard to find a product you can't buy without the Ferrari brand-name on it, most of which have nothing to do with the core-activity. Their interest in their heritage appears to be more of a financial character than to the guardianship of the past, so why do they even care? It'll take some marketeer to turn the reputation of Classiche around, but that's another discussion.

Off my soap-box,

Jack.

 

The current corporate mantra at Ferrari is "Milk it for all it is worth, no matter the consequences of such."

Ferrari is no longer about heritage or anything else. It's all about marketing and hype; maximum profit from minimum input. Charging ultra top dollar for parts made from ultra bottom dollar suppliers for parts that would make a Trabant owner cringe.

Ferrari is nothing but hype and marketing, punctuated by a few good cars, some of the time. The recent rebadge of the Maserati California is just crass and hateful and it exposes how Ferrari view their faithful customers. But no matter, Ferrari will find new customers to replace the old ones; new markets that are larger and more lucrative than the ones they built their business upon, across many decades.

 

not a hope in hell,have they ever heard of a rebodied Ferrari.

 

My Ferrari,i do what i want with it.
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Jack: yes Porsche is also rumored to make more money from r&d consulting and brand marketing.


Marcel: as discussed in our private mssages I did not mean to offend you and apologize for that: I have the greatest respect for your knowledge, but this is a democracy and to each his own opinion. I will be honored to buy you a glass of wine at the Palace Hotel in Gstaad, always a pleasure though I will stick to my wish to create what I described in a post above: I am a stubborn bastardo! Look forward to seeing you there.


Korr: there is now a contract on you watch for men in dark suits and sunglasses carrying violin cases

best regards,

Marc

 

China/Russia.

 

+1

If you want to make a stationwagon ;-) go ahead. Every owner can do whatever he likes.

 

That is quite a statement, and I'd be interested to hear what it is based on?

 

You could even do so professionally, just don't call it a Ferrari.

 

While not a comment on the current discussion concerning replicas, rebodies, etc, I do have a question. Wasn't there someone on this board who was building a rebodied/custom fiberglass car. I think he started with a 308GT4 or maybe a Mondial. Anyone remember who that was, I wanted to check in on the thread but cannot seem to find it.

Shiny Side Up!
Bill