The official replica/re-creation thread

I don't understand the all this fuss about mispresentation. If one fool tells lies about his car/watch/size of his ***** to people who care to listen, I have no problem with that. Most people are fools anyway, if this is how they get their kicks, let it be that way.

Besides you are missing the point that replica builders are stealing money from the owners of real cars.

Best wishes, Kare

 

It still is when registration papers quote: Ferrari, type, s/n etc

If you have a Ford Focus Station and make it a cabrio it still is a Ford!
What would you call a 512 BB modified as a Spyder then, a XXXXXX cabrio.

What is the 250 breadvan? A non-ferrari?

 

Representation becomes bad when it is done in conjunction with the attempted sale of the vehicle.

I don't see the value in your second remark. Have the prices of Cobra's (the real ones) come down because of the million Cobra's (the replicas) in this world? An original remains that, and it is the only thing the copy can never be.

 

On the first point: I and others were trying to soothe the strong opposing views of you and others by demonstrating that following certain criteria objectionability was reduced 95%: now you shift the whole discussion so it is not possible to talk with you.

On the second point: total and utter nonsense as already stated by others.

best regards,

Marc

 

Tom,

I'd say that is debatable: what constitutes a Ford Focus? I do agreethat different rules are used to fit the purpose, and the many pages of this discussion show how difficult it is to draw a line. If registration papers tell you a car is a 330 GT, but it has the body of a GTO, there is a discrepancy in the papers, and the actual car is not conforming. No amount of paper can make a wrong thing right.

The breadvan is an interesting one: although its' history is clear and undisputed, it was in fact a SWB. What to call it, if not a Ferrari?

 

I did not shift the whole discussion, I just entered into something that was forgotten all the time.

And on the 2nd point: skip some surfin'/exhaust sniffin' and read a book for a change and then come back and we'll discuss. Let's not turn this into religion. Supply always have an effect on demand. Always. Value of real Cobras is FAR AWAY from what they would be in a world with no replicas. Who would want a Cobra - or a Rolex - in a world where 10-year-old kids sing "fake-fake-fake-fake-fake-fake-fake-fake" to the melody of 1812-ouverture every time they see one?

Best wishes, Kare

 

It's not nonsense. It very factual and real. Look at it this way. A real 427 Cobra is a lot more car than a Ferrari of equal value. But, will I want one? The answer is a no. Why? Because every time I pull up to a gas station someone will ask: Is it real? So, demand just dropped by one, and so did value.

john

 

So true. Thank you John.
Every time I see a "427 Cobra" at a traffic light I automatically think it is a replica. Simply because today you see so many of them. They are all over the place. It's a real pity.
Marcel Massini

 

Just to stir the pot a bit, here are a few of the rebodies which have been in my hands: 0012M, 0716TR, 1777GT, and 6109GT. My attitude is, "who cares?" I would prefer that this thread show pix of some of the interesting (and not so) rebodies rather than serve as a soap-box, but that's just me. You may now respond, "who cares?"!
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Ed,

Those cars are period rebodies (I believe) ... not the same as somebody doing that now to an old car .
Pete

 

In the immortal words of Ed: "Who cares?"

 

It's painful looking at 0716 in that quasi-GTO state.

 

Agreed

 

If you don't I think you've wondered in to the wrong area of FerrariChat

I'm sure Ed would also be upset if I bought a 250LM and completed the conversion to a Lola rear end, that he discussed nearly happened to one many years ago.
Pete

 

Replicas do not bother me, as long as they are represented EXACTLY as to what they really are.

 

Why is that? It is one of my favorite rebodies of all time. I love the looks!

 

And it was never intended to be replica of a GTO. Who did it?, and when?

Okay have found answers:

Now it is kind of sad that 2393GT was ruined to put this body on something ... but don't have an issue at all with the original work in '64 on 0716.

Pete

 

John Vardanian:

I respect and always enjoy your posts and learned comments however you should not let replicas of Cobras deter you from wanting one, it would not deter me in the least: imitation is flattery as they say.

Ed: thank you for posting that photo of my favorite: if I could I would research and write a book about it as well to go beyond my two part article on the Nembos in the Ferrari Market Letter 10 years ago but there wouldn't be enough of a market. Of course the three books that I am researching and writing are not something I expect to make a profit from: they are a labor of love. You have to be a research masochist to produce 120000 words of interviews for one book for example as I did last year and earlier this year but to enthusiasts that is what matters, more than the endless and (in my view) meaningless statistics and numbers which only appeal to the speculation process.
There is however room for both views and neither one is going away.

best regards,

Marc

 

Ed,

Thanks for posting those pics. We need to see much more visual material in this thread. Not to say that the discussion is not fascinating.

Marc,

Yes, Nembo has to be one of the greatest re-bodies in the looks-department. Its' elegance is hard to beat.

Now, these are all well documented cars. Does Ferrari recognise them as Ferrari's?

 

Glad you agree Jack! I see the Nembo as Charlize Theron on Borranis! It can also poke your eye out just like a hugh maintenance girl due to the windshield being a bit too low and the small turning side window sharp edge being but we won't get into that here.
To answer your question, not that I can do it better than the many knowledgeable posters here but I can tell you that the owner of an equally famous 1960's rebody was told by mister Roberto Vaglietti of Classiche that yes his car could be certified IF it was rebodied in the normal way it came out of the factory. Vaglietti is a very nice person whom I have enjoyed meeting a few times but that is the policy of Ferrari, not his decison and needless to say the owner of the car found that ludicrous and will certainly not undo one of the most important Ferraris ever to get that pretty and costly diploma.

On the matter of major road rallies and concours these cars have been documented in books published decades ago so yes for the most part they are accepted.

best regards,

Marc

 

Fantastic post. I can sense your passion.

 

what about my passion for my BB and collecting rubbish?

 

Where's barbie?

 

here
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LOL!

Reminds me of a Rolls Corniche I once saw in Duesseldorf: it was converted to a pick-up, parked in a busy street, on a Saturday, with a tonne of black refuge bags in the bin, and the Spirit had been replaced by a 2-cnt plastic figurine of a body-builder.