The official replica/re-creation thread

And a fine example she is.

Was your BB a "recreation"?

 

I've owned some great cars/ Brabhams,racing mustangs,bentley Conti's,Porsche rs that BB was a fine example,but for me the worst car i've ever owned.IMO rubbish.
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I kept rubbish in my BB,just to remind me what a heap of rubbish the car was.
Bentley i bought of the Packers/Mrs Packers drive car.
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A bit Sad that.

 

Jim,

On one hand yes, on the other, it is quite logical.

The car that left the factory was a Ferrari. It was then, at some point, significantly modified, which causes SpA to say it is not certifyable as a Ferrari, as it was not a car they built.

There must be a million arguments to counter such a position; Did SpA ever contend race results, where a heavily modified (re-bodied?) car by someone else than SpA or its' associates won and was listed as a Ferrari?

In the end, what's the gain other than financial? A well documented period re-bodied car will be recognized by all except SpA, so what?

 

Hello Jim: it certainly is however those are the inner workings at Maranello, as you well know: even though I have enormous admiration for how Montezemolo turned Ferrari around from 1991 onwards the commercialism there now is very unfortunate. I don't think it was pushed by him though as much as by others in the corporate structure, it lacks class in its implementation, that is clear.
It is nice to see the owner of the most important recent Ferrari specials in this thread by the way One day along the same lines I want a modern theme of a 512S long tail Le Mans 1970!

best regards,

Marc

 

Yes. Ferrari accepted Manufacturing points to championships from teams that heavily modified their cars and re-bodied them completely.

The Factory even borrowed an engine from one of those teams who had heavily modified a Factory Race Engine using a company knows for it's expertise in building Chevy Racing engines.

I personally don't care about "Certification" from them. I care about what things really are and what they aren't. I have no problem with them making their own rules but I think it's very important for people to remember that their rules and definitions are simply their rules and definitions, no more no less.

I think they are grappling with these issues and one fine day may find a way to recognise certain cars as "Pieces of History" and accept them as such. The first step has been reached as all is Peaceful and that is good.

Cheers

 

I agree with you about Luca. He is a class act and has kept the Flame of Ferrari burning bright. I was happy when after seeing P 4/5 he agreed it deserved to be officially recognised as a Ferrari. Andrea told me that as an aside he asked what the brouhaha with 0846 was all about. Andrea told him that basically Ferrari had scrapped 0846's chassis and many years later I wound up with it and resurrected 0846.

Andrea told me Luca responded "That's funny".

 

+1!

 

That trend continued in the 1990's with the 333SP's and F40GTE's. Some
of the teams almost completely robodied them and then won important
races. The Prodrive 550M won many races, the 575 didnt. Wich one is worth the most historically??
And...TRACO built better 512 engines than Ferrari did!!!

TT

 

Yes it would be intriguing to know his REAL feelings on where the line should be drawn on all such matters, without his corporate hat on, I am quite sure that in a private setting they would be significantly different. His speeches, beyond his great competence show genuine emotion and passion that is clear as day.
The only time I met him was amusing: Monterey 1994, saturday afternoon in the pits, I asked him how Berger and Alesi had qualified in Spa. He was embarassed to have bird droppings on one of his shoes he said one of them qualified quite well in position x (can't remember 5th maybe). I asked about the other driver and he wispered, almost personally ashamed: 11th....

best regards,

Marc

 

I have no problem with Ferrari setting their rules and definitions are either, but would like to know exactly what they are. I would still like to know on what basis they certified 01C/010I....do they have documents on this car that none of us have ever seen?

 

Beats Me...

 

Pete, you provide the 250LM, I'll provide the Lola rear end and let's see what he says.

 

On another note I am waondering what will happen to prices of great replica/recreations. Those built may become even more affordable
relative to the real thing.

Anyone remember the ferrari special built in the UK off of a 400, it had a vaguely 250swb body done in aluminum, was not pretending to be anything other that what it was, a ferrari based special, yet it had a class to it for being original that so many replicas lack.

 

Any pics of one of these?

 

Great move thank you.

best regards,

Marc

 

There is only one.
Could only find pictures of a model of the car, but there are plenty of pictures around fchat of the real thing.
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here you go
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46538&highlight=GTO

 

Thanks for the pics!

Great looking car, and I certainly have no problem with using a tired 400 as a donor for such a project. It looks 'in the style', and it is an original.

Way to go.

 

Hi, I have been away for a few days due to a missunderstanding with management which was quickly and pleasantly resolved. As you know I have posted numerous times promoting the formation of an organization representing the less than "100% real" cars. Classiche is fine for these !00% cars and I understand that Classiche is giving out some kind of limited,qualified,partial cirtification for cars not up to their standards of "purity".It is my understanding that the "100% real" is given to cars that are 100% original with certain modern safety mods allowed as well as "period" modifications done eather at the factory or at carrozzerias such as Pinin Farina,Scaglietti,Fantuzzi etc.Certainly this would be acceptable for the competition cars many of which don't, for example, have their original engines, or heavily accident damaged cars. The "100% " and "rebuilt" categories can apply to these cars and judged accordingly by Classiche. Then we come to "replica" and "reproduction" categories.This is where an orginazation is needed to identify, categorize, and doccument these cars.It is importand that Classiche is involved in this project so that the lines of demarcation are clear to all.Then these "repros" can have a legitimate place in the sun. A cars "certificate" will clearly identify what its "real" history" is for everyone, in particular the owner, a prospective buyer, or others judging or researching the car. Until such an organisation is formed there will be constant bickering and argueing such as what has consumed so much of the threads above. I keep hoping that some day I may dismount from this soapbox knowing that I may have contributed to something useful. just one man's opinion tongascrew

 

Anyone knows the whereabouts of the 512M reproduction that Sheehan had for sale a few months back ?

This one

http://www.ferraris-online.com/pages/cardetail.php?reqcardir=FE-512M-JDR01

 

Last seen a few days ago at ESSEN Motor Show in Germany, incorrectly described (what else did I expect?) by a dealer..............
Marcel Massini