Very early P250 have the Lamborghini emblem fitted on the luggage bonnet, 15034 is an early car, end of 1973 or early 1973. For the VIN number, it is also stamped in the front compartment for the P250, for the P300 you can find it on the right strut turret. Thanks for all the photo and VIN number, thanks to look also at the body number 1060xxx. At that time the last LHD P300 is for sale in the south of France, 20560 was first delivered in Italy, blue with tan interior, now the car is yellow. Eric
Ok! Yes it's an early car.. Thanks for the info on the emblems.. I tryed to buy the car at a good price back when it was outside in the snow.. The engine had some oil leaks.. But the owner would not sell it for a reasonable price.. It looked like it needed some work.. If the colour originally was green it would be really nice to bring it back to its original colour.. is that another urraco with mud flaps? not sure what you mean? Edit: the first one was in the last post.. Anyway.. This car seems to be in good condition.. Was imported to Norway some years ago from Switzerland.. Now with it 4th owner in Norway. Here is some more pictures of the red car: Daniel Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
I also really like the French-market treatment. It looks neat and tidy and improves rear visibility. I never understood why the factory didn't abandon the slats on all the cars david s
I don't agree... The slats really make the urraco nice designwise.. It's adopted from the urraco's older brother Miura.. The urraco was created as a smaller alternative for miura to compete in the porsche class with the 308 gt4 dino.. On the Urraco prototypes you can clearly see the miura rear end.. I like it
thanks, it took a year and a bit, but now its in great condition, when i bought it it lived in a hay shed and was full of hay and rats.........the right hand cylinder head was held together with silastic glue. where can i get one of those french deck lids?
Yes Daniel here it is. The photo from 1976 in a sale shop in Stockholm. Sorry very bad photo. Instamatic. Magnus Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
I just find an other photo of the yellow P3OO, note the different steering colum special on a LHD car, also the added instrument fitted on the right side of the central console, this instrument is always fitted on the car now at the tonino museum. Thanks for all your photo, it's nice to found old photo and story about urraco. Eric Image Unavailable, Please Login
bravo great interior shot of the test mule... that column looks like the same one they used on the rhd urracos (but mounted upsidedown) and jalpas where the signal stalks protrude from it rather than the IP. daniel mudflaps of that size is something we only see on semi-trucks over here in socal...lol so people really do drive them in poor weather up in Scandinavia? thank your for posting! merry christmas hf Image Unavailable, Please Login
Serenissima: Thank you for posting! You really know mutch about classics in scandinavia! Impressive hyenahf: LOL! Apparently we drive the urracos in the mud up here.. I had a pair of big mudflaps to.. But removed them.. Not planning to attend rally sweeden anywhay so.. haha.. Best regards and merry christmas to all Daniel
What are you doing with my mudflaps? We also had a Ralph Nader in our country big bumpers mudflaps and that sort of things. Magnus Ps and thanks Daniel. I began in 1976. ds
Photo of my own car with an Alphajet, P300 20494, 1060-744, february 1977 first registration june 1977 in France black with tan leather, change in silver early in the eighties. I've got it since 1999. Eric Image Unavailable, Please Login
Hi to all, nice to meet you. I'm Francesco living near Milan (Italy) and I discovered this community after carrying out several researches on the web about Lamborghini Urraco. On the previous posts, I read you were talking about the first production cars. Few weeks ago I bought my first P250, the #15000 (or "160*1*") car you mentioned. The car is in good shape, but several "minor" works have to be completed to lead it to a mint/concours condition. Since the car has some details that are different from further production units, I will be happy to exchange some informations with you, in hope you are interested in. Thank you and happy New Year. ciao Franz
happy new year all fyi the latest (jan 09) issue of thoroughbred and classic cars mag has a nice spread of a UK RHD P250. its worth checking out the next time at the newsstands/ cheers hf
Happy new year to all Lamborghini V8 fan. Expect that we will find a lot of new urraco in 2009, congratulation to Franz for the buying of the first production Urraco, I discovered this car first in an italian magazine some years ago, white with red interior, it'll be nice if franz could post photo.
if anyone cares, forum member Jfrazar has my old euro 1973 p250 urraco *15176*. he has mentioned to me over the holidays he would like to sell it for around $22,000. he also has a Countach, a Jalpa, and access to a Jarama. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Hi to all, these are preliminary pictures of my new/old car, at the day of delivery. Since a major service has been already carried out, almost 90% of work seems to consist on an accurate polishing of interiors and electrical devices. On spring I need also a visit to a "carrozziere", since few points on body have to be fixed. Before this date, I need to collect some informations about this car: I hope to discover some old pictures (maybe from Bertone or directly asking to Lamborghini, I don't know) to see if some particulars have been modified by the past owners. Anyway, all the odd particulars I noticed seem to be original or at least dated as the "birth" of the car. ...Do you have perhaps some informations about this car's story ? Read you soon. ciao Franz Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
hello franz welcome and thanks for contributing to the tread. wasnt your urraco once owned by emerson fittipaldi? anyhow i have an Quttroroute mag scan of a urraco (an orange early P250) test by emerson in guigno 73. emerson did many driving impressions for that mag in the 70's i believe those mirrors are date in the 80's (vitaloni baby turbo mirror?) and aren't period correct your your early P250. doesn't your car have some sort of mudflaps on the rear fender? its difficult to see in your photos. i wonder if those body color louvers and black wheels came from the factory? i would venture guess they are done afterwords. I may have some information on our car when it was for sale a couple of years ago. unfortunately i cant seem to locate it. anyone have any more pics of grace kelly's blue P250 beside this one? happy holidays hf Image Unavailable, Please Login
Hello HF, thank you for the interest and comments about the pictures I posted. At the present time I do not have yet car's documents and precise informations about it. The only news I got are that Fittipaldi drove the car for a period since he was the ufficial tester for Lamborghini, and the car seems to be displayed on the Turin motor show, maybe in late 1972. I think the car was on Bertone stand, but I need to proof all these informations. For sure the car was formerly registered as "unico esemplare", and the documents reports this note. This is also confirmed by the fact that no tyre size prescription is reported in documents (in fact now it mounts Pirelli P7 225/65 VR14 tyres, in very good shape). It follows (I think) that the car was used for a period as a sort of "advanced prototipe" for series development and optimization. Also on the serial number plate, located on the left side of the engine compartment (see picture below) no omologation numbers are engraved. About the other questions, the car has ho mudflaps on the rear wheel arches. The rear mirrors are the ones you pointed out (I've planned to find out better ones..). The white louvres are a mistery, but from a preliminary inspection on recessed areas the paint seems original, as the black trim on the alloy wheels (also spare wheel looks so). Moreover, the car has no rear chromed bumpers, and the tail view looks very similar to the famous Urraco Bob: up to this moment, I could'nt discover no signs of hidden holes on the rear body panel. Anyway, in a next future I will try to find out more precise news about the car, since I guess that these informations should be still existing somewhere (factory, museum, Bertone,...). I hope to meet kind people that will help me to dig out all the story. At the moment I'm still in vacations and I'll be back to work (and to my garage) next week. Read you soon. ciao Franz Image Unavailable, Please Login
franz yes it would be nice to see photos of the 72 Torino motor show. im sure someone out there has a few pics to post. on the tires... i believe most early urraco's where shoed with Pirelli CN36 then the typical Michelins XWX. tire size most likely were 205-70-14. some of the later cars ran with a smaller 195 70 14 up front. the Pirelli P7 you have on now is most certainly not the original spec tire because the car pre-dates the car. P7 didnt come out till 75... i recall the porsche turbo and the silhouette was among the first cars production cars to be fitted with them. although i do recall seeing pic of bravo with the P7 at Torino show in 74. its a strange P7 size you have there?... ive never see them at that size before 225 65 14 only in 205 55 14. that 65 series profile would be a fantastic replacement for the stock 205 70 14 perhaps i should not have said "mud flaps" but the lower rear section is slightly different from all the standard urraco's ive seen. take a look carefully of the inside wheel house flange and it arc down on the rear lower portion. the flange increases in dimension... it should look more like the front one which is relatively constant. looking from the 3/4 rear you can see there is "negative section" before blending back in to the body. that section is positive on all other urracos. another anomaly is the raging bull badge near the tail lamps, this looks to have come from a later car perhaps in the 80's? cheers and have a safe journey home. hf Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Hallo HF, thanks a lot for all comments and for the pictures you posted: it's very intersting and constructive for me to point out all these details to investigate on. About the tyre size, I did a mistake on my last post: the right size is 225/55-14 (see photo below). Before getting the car I was intentioned to replace tyres with Michelin XWX 205/70-14, but now I'm not so sure because these Pirelli look quite new and the larger size looks great and should be safer too rather than the big XWXs. About the "integrated mud flaps" you've right. Since the car went into my garage just before my leaving for Christmas holidays, I paid no great attention to the shape of this particular, except to the fact that these wheelarch extensions need to be fixed because some rust is present. I suppose that this modification was carried out at the same time when rear bumpers were taken off from the car, but when ? when the car was still in Lamborghini for tests? ....of course I hope so ! About the black charging bull on the back I was also wondering if this badge was car's contemporary or belonging to a later model of Countach. Since my english is not so perfect, I did not understand what you mean about the badge on the trunk lid: I think it's because it's not original like the one on the car's front. This should be replaced as soon as I will get the right one. Another thing to point out regards the other photo below: I think the black underbody paint pattern is not correct, since it comes up to the radiator grille and it's more pronounced on the sides. This particular should be quite easy to fix when I'll take the car to a "carrozziere" (sorry...I don't remember the english word for "carrozziere"). Please HF, where you from ? and what's your name ? thanks again for all these informations. ciao Francesco Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Id say keep the original look with the 205 xwx or CN36 (if there are any available) for show or display and run a spare set of wheels with modern tires for the performance. If you need another set Eurospares is suppose to have replica front countach wheels which are the same as the urracos. Would the CT 9 1/2 inch rear wheel fit in the rear of a standard urraco? The urraco bob rallye racecar in early guise had these 9 ½ inch on the before going to the more aggressive bizarrini styled 15 inch campy wheels. I must say I prefer urraco bob in the early stages without the airdam, wing chop up rear valance and monster rear wheels that look a little short in rolling diameter. The CT wheel with the 215s fill the slightly flared rear wheel flares nicely. if your P7F ( I think the F means special reinforced type) is more the 6 or 7 years old, they will be shot already and shouldnt be used for even moderate spirited driving. Even if the tire looks new, the durometer of the rubber will have harden and the performance will fall off drastically. The last time Ive check the XWX is still in limited production. although its an older design it will be much safer because of its molded date. Check to see if your tires has the manufacture date on the side wall. It should be a 6 digit number unless the P7 are too old to have them. If you want an affordable spare set of wheels to drive around on. the bolt pattern is 120x5 which is the same as the bmws. Older bimmer wheels are available in 14,15 and 16 with the correct offset to keep a somewhat period look. Just please dont do dubs..lol. . Heres a pic of dons P250S with what I believe are 16 inch Rial wheels for a BMW. Tires will be much easer to source. These wheel have been on this car for over 20years. No problem on your English I my thoughts arent always phrased coherently as I like. On the truck lid badge. There are a couple of other early cars that have this too. I dont know if any of the cars came that way from the factory other than one fitted on a preproduction prototype. I havent seen one 2nd badge cars closely in the flesh but I notice the front one is recessed slightly in the sheet metal while the rear ones look to be just sitting on the surface. Thats seems a little inconsistent for a non-hand built car. Remember the urraco was intended to be a mass produce car with the original target for the car to over a thousand units annually. Ill PM you with my personal info Glad to help . Btw corraozziere sound much better than a body shop! hf Image Unavailable, Please Login
Michelin tyres XWX are always available, you can also find tyres from Fulda, I use them on my urraco and they are good, the price too...more than 100 Euros for the Fulda, more than 300 for the Michelin... I'll try to find some photo from your car Francesco, I think that the badge on the rear bonnet is common to the first cars, the charging bull at the rear was certainly added after, I think that the car was not fitted with that rear mirror and had a rear bumper, I have no idea on the rear body modification. Eric
Francesco> I just have a look to the book about the Lamborghini V8 written by JF Marchet, there's lot of photo from your car in black and white, we can see that there's no body modification at the rear , the rear bumper was fitted, there's also the badge on the rear bonnet, the centre of the wheels was not painted in black, there's no black paint at the front of the car, the engine bonnet support is on the left side of the car as is it in the centre for a great number of production car, there's only one door mirror fitted, it's type was fitted on a great number of urraco it's a Vitaloni black with chrome support. Eric
