Why so much Cali hate?

Either way-maybe I suffer from being testicularly challenged but I think the California is a stunning car in all angles. Like wise with the boxter ( though early boxters suffer from the cheapest looking and feeling interiors in the industry) The California in my opinion is a fantastic display of forward design work. I look forward to the manual version coming out in the spring-should improve the interior dynamics a bit.
The interesting thing to me is all the hype on both sides of this debate. The 360-575 designs-all felt a bit contrived. I think that Pininfarina lost their way years ago. IMO-(and everyone knows what that means) I think that the early 60s to mid 90s cars had a true sports car look-Does anyone really need to see the engine bay??????

 

the reality is people judge you by the car you drive, its a fact, I hear a booming stereo from behind blaring mindless rap music and see huge 22s on some SUV land barge I'll assume its a wanna be thug type wearing fake gold chains with a big initial dangling from it, 90% of the time I am correct, drive a girly car some may question if you are light in the loafers or a poseur type buying the car for its badge, the opposite sex is quick to judge in particular

 

I would imagine that by the time the typical, non-trust fund baby, Ferrari buyer gets the means to acquire his new Ferrari, he's at an age where he doesn't really give a rat's a$$ what anyone else thinks about his choice of car. I certainly am totally indifferent to anyone's opinion of what I choose to drive.

 

it looks even worse in person IMO then in pics..also..it should have a ferrari v12, not a maserati v8

 

The "maserati" V8 you speak of is the Ferrari V8 in the 360 and 430, built on the engine line in the Ferrari factory in Maranello, tested by Ferrari engineers on Ferrari dynos.
On that note I guess you think that the 430 Scuderia is also a "maserati" as it doesn't have a Ferrari V12. Ditto for the 288GTO and the F40 huh?

 

the car is gorgeous, just enough of the "old California" in the design, and how they managed to keep the rear end so compact considering the 2 features they NEEDED to include, bootspace and folding roof, is quite an achievement.

Performance and drivability (that is what the NSX had which appealed to women as well and still remained a supercar for the "hairy-chested men )

599 is a supreme car
430 is a brilliant sportscar for the road
Scuderia is a brilliant track car that can be driven TO the track
612 is a brilliant 2+2 inter-city flyer
California is the car to take for a cruise with the wife and if you indulge too much at lunch she would be happy to drive home or on her own if she is inclined to driving

I'd say it looks like a great line up, no SUV, no stationwagon, no pickup, no people mover

 

It is not.

The engine in the 360 is not even the engine in the 430.

 

"Typical"?

That's, er, rich!

 

Of course. No-one is claiming that Joe sixpack is a candidate for new Ferrari ownership. The demographic of many first time buyers is that of hard working entrepreneurs or executives who have toiled and dedicated themselves to what they do, achieving success and money along the way.

 

It has the same basic block, but most pertinently in this discussion, the current Maserati engines are produced by Ferrari, on the same 8 cylinder engine assembly line as the 430 engines.
If you ever tour the factory you will see Mas and Ferrari engines moving along the assembly line together being built by the same workers.

 

And yer point is...

 

Wait, both or either?

 

Read the thread. My original response was to someone who claimed the Cali should have a Ferrari V12, not a Maserati V8 (post # 256). Other than that no point at all.

 

i said maserati v8 because i hate it so much lol..not because i was so ignorant about the engine of this car..i've read several reviews on this car and know quite a lot about it..i apologize for a vague explanation..

 

Different displacements, heads, intakes, exhausts, pistons, rods, and cam and crankshaft timings.

Not the same engine.

They're even less similar than a Chevy W-block truck engine and a 'Can Am' ZL-1.

 

First time buyers, maybe, new buyers - no way, not today.

 

But aside from THAT, they're exactly the same.

 

"All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education,
wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and
public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?"

 

Point of order: so the "Maserati" V8 is not a flat plane crank???

If not, then that puts paid to this nonsense about the Cali having a Maserati engine.

If so, then that puts paid to this nonsense about there being a "Maserati" V8 at all. Instead the only logical assertion that can be made is that one of the features of a new Maserati is that it comes with a Ferrari V8 in the engine compartment.

Either way, the Cali is unsullied.

 

I'm not aware that the Cali's engine is a flat crank. Source?

Actually, it would 'put paid' the nonsense that 'the Maserati engine in the Cali is the same as the Ferrari engine in the 430 and the 360'.

...'The 430's is the same as the engine in the 360' is a subsidiary nonsense.

Not so fast... The Maserati engine does not appear in any Ferrari, perhaps until now. It is quite different in every substantive respect from the 430's, sharing only the most basic block design/casting. Yes, it is assembled in the Ferrari factory, under FIAT contract ("FIAT fiat"?), much like the later FIAT Dinos, which weren't ever Ferraris either. It is a Maserati(/Alfa) engine, built by Ferrari. (Quite lovely in it's own right, but we are now in Angels Dancing on Pins territory.)

...Not paying attention, or whistling past the graveyard?

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Okay Opus-
I think you have made your position on the Cali painfully clear.

However, I do think that it is only fair to ask that if you continue to wish to combat Cali defenders that you do some homework.

Please read one or two of the technical articles on this car so that your arguments and criticisms are based in fact.

You always ask for a source. But you never seem to check one before you launch an attack on the car.

Please read this and you will have your answer about the " Flatness of the Cali's crank" http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/exotic/112_0901_2010_ferrari_california/first_impressions.html

Oh the answer is on page 2- just in case you have forgotten where you put your reading glasses!

(I am not challenging your right to your own opinion at all.)

 

Just read that article.

Damn! I! Knew! It!

Now, I just have to wait patiently for the used market to bring me one...

P.S. to dude: Hello? No, the Maserati does not have a flat plane crank, and yes, the Ferrari California does. So, like I so carefully explained to you, the engine in a Maserati is a Maserati engine built for them by Ferrari. (A few side jobs never hurt anybody. ) The engine in a California is not a Maserati engine. It's a Ferrari engine. Get it? That's good.

 

One of these things is not like the other.

 

I've barely scratched the surface, given that I think it is the beginning of the end of the greatest automotive legacy. And, don't forget, 22% of Americans still think Bush did a great job, more than half believe in extraterrestrial visitations.

Motor Trend? Really?

I didn't say the Cali didn't have a flat crank, I hadn't read it had anywhere but here.

And no, I don't read Motor Trend, haven't since junior high.

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