Please explain the 360 key game..

The red is the "master" fob. I believe this is used (and required) to program black fobs among other fuctions. I seem to remember the owner's manual saying that you need the red in other cases.... just don't recall off the top of my head.
You normally use the black fob for 'everyday use' and the red is stashed away somewhere safe.

If the car you are looking at doesn't have the red fob, budget to have one made for the vehicle... I've heard this is both costly and time consuming.

 

Don't all new Ferraris come with a red fob key? If so, why is it that so many used cars only come with a black key? I don't see how a car just loses a key along the way...

 

If you missing the remote, its a pain. Key you can have made almost anywhere. The remote code is with your manual. If you are missing the remote code or its unreadable, dealer will have to order another from Ferrari. Just got mine after a seven week wait. Cost is $550 to get the code. New remote and programing is approxiamte $1250 at the dealer.

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All new ferrari's come with one red and two black remotes and three silver keys. One of my 360's came with one black remote, and one red remote. My 2 year old found my red remote in a kitchen drawer and destoyed it Still had the key, but its essentially useless without the remote.

 

Call Becker NA for the radio code. You will need to pull the radio to get numbers that Becker needs to cross ref the code.

 

Not all new Ferraris. The F430, 612, 599, etc.. have the button(s) on the actual key, there is no fob.

 

What a racket! I am glad this came up...one more IMPORTANT thing to check on when looking for a 360!

 

http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=205342&highlight=red+key+fob

 

Quite a bit of bad and uninformed information out there on remotes and the Alarm ECU. See if this helps

Taz
Terry Phillips
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Absalutely agree with this. Lots and lots of fud out there

 

With all do respect I am glad that was posted..but my real world experince with the issue was far from "fud" or mis-information! I wish everyone when the times comes they are informed, so they do not have to go through what we went through...

 

Chris- Been there, done that. My 575M was delivered with one black remote and, thankfully, the original Alarm ECU PIN. Would not wish that on anybody, but it is even worse if you do not have the Alarm ECU PIN. Luckily Boardwalk is a trustworthy dealer, and provided me with three new remotes and a new PIN from FNA. What I posted is what I learned and had to do to reprogram the Alarm ECU because the closest dealer to Albuquerque is 400 miles away. Forewarned is forearmed. New Ferraris from the 575/360 period were delivered with one red master remote, two black slave remotes, and two ignition/door keys.

If you have only one key, you can have a new blank from Ricambi cut, but the blanks are steel. Expect to have a hard time finding someone willing to cut a steel blank and, once you do, it will be ~$100 because it tears up their cutting wheels.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

Somewhere in that Word file posted it talks about being able to clone a black fob, and doing a search on Fchat.

Is this really possible? Is there SOMEONE on this forum that can take an existing black fob, and make a clone/copy of it?

Would this requie another black fob from Ferrari, or could you clone it onto some other type of fob?

I find it hard to believe that the technical wizardry contained in the stupid little black fob is so unduplicatable that instead of simply cloning it, it requires a whole new set of fob, and an alarm code card, and reprogramming and/or getting a whole new alarm unit and doing the thing with the ECU's.

But maybe that's just how it is. So which is it? Can the black fob be cloned if all you have left is one, to make a backup?

 

I should have stipulated all new 360 Ferrari's.

 

Would'nt call it mis-information. Many folks not be able or will prefer not to get into programming. Ferrari of Cental Jersey told me, and I agree, the cost of programming is relatively small comared to the cost of obtaining a new red remote and the code,

 

Bora- If you do not have the red fob and the Alarm ECU PIN, you cannot reprogram anything. The black remotes do not even contain the PIN. That resides in the red remote and is programmed into the Alarm ECU at the factory or by a technician/owner with a new red remote.

Here are your choices:

1) You have a black remote and the Alarm ECU PIN: You can get a set of three new remotes and a new PIN and you or your dealer can program the Alarm ECU to accept them. Alternatively you can have your black remote cloned to give you a back-up

2) You have a red remote and the Alarm ECU PIN: You can use the red remote and PIN to program the Alarm ECU to accept one or two new black remotes.

3) You have remotes of any color but no Alarm ECU PIN: You cannot program your Alarm ECU. You can have your remotes cloned or you can buy a new Alarm ECU with three new matching remotes and the PIN.

Not too complicated and all spelled out in my attachment above. Programming an Alarm ECU to accept remotes is a five minute job. But you must have the original PIN to do it. If not, cloning the remotes or a new ECU and remotes are your only choices.

Here is the thread on cloning remotes:

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=132424&highlight=clone

Anybody with a high school education can use their Alarm ECU PIN to start their car if the remote fails or is lost. Programming the Alarm ECU to accept new remotes is just an extension of starting the car using the PIN.

This has been hashed out numerous times with professionals.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

Terry,

Look at my first post.

"If you missing the remote, its a pain. Key you can have made almost anywhere. The remote code is with your manual. If you are missing the remote code or its unreadable, dealer will have to order another from Ferrari. Just got mine after a seven week wait. Cost is $550 to get the code. New remote and programing is approxiamte $1250 at the dealer."

What is mis-imformation? I dont appreciate the mis-information comment.

All you did was provide an option of saving $200 in programming. I personally dont care about saving $200 after I have spent $1500 on the fob and code. Rather have the dealer do the whole thing.

You provided the ECU programming chart as additoinal information. Nothing mis-information abouot what I posted.

Bora

 

Ok so here is another unique situation-

I just bought a 360 with multiple keys and fobs, and the security PIN.

However, the previous owner never actually tried any of the remotes or additional keys with the car. Turns out that the red fob and multiple keys likely do not belong to this car. I am trying to see if I can get the originals, but think it may be unlikely because of the time that has transpired.

I have the security PIN. Can I use this to put the car into learn mode, then use the red fob that is likely not related to this car to reset the ecu to accept that fob as well as the black one (which currently works)? Or are the security pin and red fob linked together?

I am curious to try it, but don't want to accidentally render the fob that works useless.

Matt

 

Change the batteries in them first to make sure that's not the issue.

Happened to me!

 

You could do this BUT the red fob would program a new PIN into the ECU and it doesn't sound like you have the red fobs PIN. That would be a BAD BAD move because you would be in the worst possible place.

If you have the PIN, I would just try the remotes and see if I have enough for my peace of mind. If not, I would order a new set and program them. That will get you to a stable position for the least money & hassle. You can then send (sell?) me the other fobs so I can try some experiments.

 

No arguments over this, you are both pretty much on track.

These are correct options but you are missing one

This is the other option. Get a copy of the PIN from Ferrari and start from scratch.

 

ok. so each red fob comes with its own pin? So if I order a new set of fobs, then I will use the pin I have to "open" the ecu, but when the reprogramming is done, then the old PIN isn't good for anything anymore?

 

Those will not work on your system. It's a different frequency!