Mega Thread: The 430 Replacement (F450, F500, etc)

For some reason, i thought that this was already confirmed

 

i'm still curious about the pronounced front well arch.

 

+1 just what i was thinking

 

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Gone were the days when you say Ferrari and fastest in the same sentence. Way too many high hp cars out there.
I hate to see a ferrari getting snooked on road.

 

First the 430 Scuderia, now this? the original F430 is so damn beautiful compared to those two

 

+1... I agree.

 

Autospies. Lol

 

Just came home from a VIP preview of the California. Since the car didn´t look much better in flesh than on the pictures, I spent most of the evening pumping the importers SM for info about the 430 successor. This is what he told me after a few glasses of champagne:


General characteristics:

With the California being a bit softer, F will make the new car more race oriented than the current car.


AWD, as claimed by Autospies:

Just forget it! SM had heard the rumour as well and asked the F people, who reacted as insulted by the mere question. After all years of frowning at Lambo over their AWD it´s just impossible, also from a weight point of view.


Dual clutch gearbox, as claimed by Autoblog and many others:

Surprise no 1, NO! New car will have a new F1 gearbox, I forgot to ask if 6 speed or 7 speed.
Reason is that the DC box just shifts too smooth, even if the Cali has an artificial lag built in. This is not suiting the even sportier character of the new car.


All CF chassis:

Probably too expensive for this car. But, surprise no 2; Ferrari are working on a new composite material that should be about as stiff and light as CF, but much cheaper. Hence the speculation about the new car being lighter than the Scud.


Hard top convertible version only, as the California:

Out of the question, according to SM, due to the racier approach.


Coupé version only, Spider buyers will have to choose California, as Autoblog claims:

Probably not, but a bit uncertain. The new character mentioned could talk for that. But on the other hand it´s highly unlikely that the typical Spider buyer like myself, who´s used to mid engines and an aggressive look, would regard the Cali as an alternative.
The launch of the Scud Spider also indicates that Ferrari wants to get around the contradiction between sportier cars and open versions.
Probably the super fast HT technology from the California.


Launch in October, 2009:

Not certain at all. Could very well be Geneva in March, 2010.


If anyone has also interest in the engine, I´m afraid the SM realized he also had to attend to other guests, before I got to that.
But should I guess, I think F will use more of their new DI knowledge before they´ll develop a brand new FI engine. The DI combined with lighter chassis would probably provide all the improvement in performance, emissions and fuel economy they´ll need for now...

 

Exactly what I have heard with the exception that it will be shown in Oct. 2009.

 

Thank you, where did you get those?

 

Well, that's interesting. Ferrari -not- going with 'better' technology in favor of a slower, jerkier shifter.
So much for 'state of the art'.

What's next, carbs? Better fit for 'sportier character'.

 

That's BADA$$!!!


-G.B.

 

I do not believe that this is accurate.

That DC gearbox shifts faster than the Scuderia!

There is no "lag" associated with this gearbox.

And it is 7 speed.

This is Ferrari's transmission of the future w/o doubt!

 

All F1 teams have opted not to go the dual clutch route, so it´s quite logical Ferrari does the same for their most race oriented car...

 

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Yeah, but im sure it will be a small engine to cut back emissions etc..etc..

I thought so!

I thought this was confirmed for the Enzo replacement??

I wasnt aware anyone had confirmed this for the 430 replacement.

 

Has anyone noticed the rear wheel in the wheel arch on the yellow car??

See how far back its sitting in the wheel arch?? Perhaps a different mounting point for the rear engine cradle? Suspension improvements for the replacement??

Could it have a longer engine?? A V10!! Awwwwwwww yeah!! Speculation baby!

Or is it the California engine and dual clutch gearbox bolted straight in the back?

 

But hasn't it been said that the gear box of the future will be the DCT?

DCT changes gears in 50ms, fastest F1 in a Scuderia does the same in 60ms. Also DCT can handle about 750Nm of torque.

 

Rossi you're correct. Roberto Corradi, head of engineering, said in a magazine interiew that DCT was the way forward for Ferrari and would feature in future models. It is capable of shifting in 0 ms if required apparently due to gear preselection. I'd be very surprised to see the F1 box retained in the new car when DCT can be easily be programmed to give the "thump" effect of the F1 box shifting gears. Shifts could be made more violent in race mode for example and smoother in the Auto mode to suit a drivers mood.

The folding hardtop rumour also makes little sense. It is extremely difficult to package a folding hardtop in a front engine car (hence the California's large rump) let alone a mid engined car where the soft top has to fold into a small cassette above the front of the engine. There simply isn't room in a mid engine configuration for a folding hardtop. At a push a system like the flipping top in a Superamerica could be a possibility but it would likely interfere with engine heat extraction as it may cover the engine bonnet vents.

 

First of all the first pic is just a drawing made on the sp1 concept frond end.And was made to resembel to this drawing.

Second.Im very worried about all the spy shots.Because they test the new generation in a car that has 430+360's front windscreen, doorglass and so on.

So if 430 was 360 2.0 this will be 430 2.0
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Ferrari usually uses "old" bodyshells to test the drivetrain and suspension of their new cars so don't worry. If they follow their traditional design cycle the F142 will be a completely new design that bears little resemblance to the F430.

 

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090211.004/spied-ferrari-f430-successor-sports-f142-codename


I'm not sure if this has been posted, but its just more info.

 

See post #48

 

I don't feel like Ferrari will make a drastic change like they have before. I could be wrong but I think a lot will be carried over from the F430, maybe the body work will be very different, I could be wrong. I just think that there will be a lot of the F430, maybe under the skin is where everything will be very related.