Why so much Cali hate?

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Engine is *not* a Masrati! Hello?

 

Like I said, "fantasy world".

 

Don't know much about Ferrari huh? The 308gt4 and Mondial 400 were all Fiat influenced even at the time they were new they were thought of as Fiat Ferraris. You better believe Enzo cared about his road cars unless you are blind but maybe you are since you like the Cali

 

Opus, the last 3 liter V12 road car from Ferrari produced about 210 hp. If you had to comply with modern emmission requirements, there is no way to achieve the 400 hp you quote.

 

Even blind people know the difference between a Maserati engine and a Ferrari engine...

 

You hear that statement all the time Enzo didn't care about his road cars, why are they some of the gre atest works of art ever made then? Then who did care at Ferrari his secretary? Id like to meet her and tell her good job

 

The bodywork was done by outside vendors. Scaglietti, Pininfarina, and Bertone to name a few. I don't think Enzo or anyone at Ferrari produced an initial body design.

 

Well, now we understand the root of your anger. You're still argueing something that happened in 1966. Fine. You may actually be right. We'll try to find you a time machine so you can rectify things for us all.

 

Well if you have ever had anything manufactured you give the designer the specifications and basic layout for what you want they typically make a few prototypes for you to pick then you modify the design as it forms shape into your product which Enzo of course decided

 

That's it I want Enzo dug up and dna taken have him cloned and put back in full control of Ferrari I will be very happy!

 

Write Ferrari and tell them that you want more beautiful designs like the cars of the 60's.
But then they might respond by saying that they thought they were doing that with the 60's inspired California- the hood scoop, the vents , the steering wheel badge, the GT driving style.

I think a great design depends on talent and luck. If the lead designers get it right the first time then there is a chance. Otherwise with all the different teams involved and the clock ticking things get set a certain way and then fixed.

I think that when manufacturing, tooling, parts design start to hit their stride little time is left to explore design changes.

Also what do you tell the designer? " Make it more beautiful"

And how long does it take for him to do that? 2 weeks? 2 months? 6 months?

Maybe Ferrari should ask a different design firm for style options, since Pininfarina have had the monopoly.

That's a hard thing to do because of loyalty and the fact that sales have been strong. If sales fell off and customers cited lousy coachwork design then you can make your case.

There is always the SP program where you can design your
Own Ferrari ! How many car companies let you do that?

 

I think the only way Ferrari will change direction is if sales slow, I emailed Mr. Fioravanti a few years ago he was kind enough to email me back and send a packet of some of his new designs, asked his opinion on new Ferraris he said they have lost there way and magic to their designs, this after the 360 came out

 

Porsche has been getting more than 400 bhp out its small flat six for the last ~20 years. Ferrari could certainly equal that with a small V12 today.

Holy crap - an interesting comment somehow backdoors its way into this thread.

 

Clearly you're a T-Ball baby, so we'll wait while your mommy Tees it up, again, for you.

...For her sake I hope she hasn't written the check or opened your grandfather's trust for you yet.

 

Instead of a bunch of trust-fund-mewlings, one man had final say.

You really are out of your depth here.

 

"1966"?

Really?

Are you kids for real?

 

Congratulations: You know less of design than you do of Ferrari.

 

News Flash, junior: What you think has absolutely no effect on physics.

 

Pity, yet the time is ripe.

I bet my guess is better than yours.

Pray, do tell.

Show your work for extra credit.

Specifically: How much more for "in front"?

I don't doubt it.

My point was, and is, quite clear: In adopting an existing steel platform to the aluminum material they have squandered the weight, ie performance, advantages to be gained from the aluminum. The only plus, again, is to the marketing scumbags, who don't care a rat's ass about performance, history or heritage.

No less an enthusiast than Isaac Newton claims it is too heavy. I merely stress the point.

When one aims low, one can appear to reach high. - Marketing 101

They don't care what I think.

They don't care what ~1,300 "Daytona", or ~3,800 Dino owners think either.

It's Luca-time now, they only care what the easy rich "think".

Luca has no respect for Enzo, his philosophy or his achievements.

All Luca cares about is Luca: Sales, profits; the cars are just commodities, Ferrari is just another brand to be exploited for his own aspirations.

All that's important to him are his selfish political ambitions.

 

I recently finished reading a pretty good book on Ferrari, which has led me to reconsider my view of the California. I think this is a car Enzo would have approved of, just as he approved of the 308GT4 and the Mondial, etc. Enzo wasn't against technology, he was just reluctant to adopt things that he didn't perceive as being proven, yet in other areas he was way ahead of his time. He also embraced new technologies to a much greater extent than I previously realized. I may not personally like many new Ferraris, based on my own preconceived notions of what a Ferrari should be, but, I am not as quick to throw Luca under the bus, nor can I declare the California any less of a Ferrari than the 348, Dino, Mondial, GT4, 400i, or any of the other Ferraris that at one time or another, were declared "not real Ferraris."

Just my .02.

 

Why are you so angry at what a legitimate business corporation is doing with their product? They have shareholders they are responsible to and the idea is make and profitably sell products that their market desires.

We get that you think the California is heavy, ugly and generally useless to you. That's fine but give it a rest already.
And Luca is someone steeped in Ferrari history, and who worked directly for Enzo managing Enzo's passion - the race team. He is a competent executive who rescued Ferrari at a time when they couldn't sell 2,500 cars a year because they were crap and they hadn't won a F1 WDC since 1979. I think Luca is the perfect CEO for Ferrari. He is a Ferrari guy, not some brand executive from a soap maker recruited to fix the image of the company. GM did that a few times and look at where they are today.
The Cali is the right car for Ferrari today and it will sell very well, to a broader market than they have today. It works in every respect. It outperforms any previous non-current Ferrari, except perhaps the Enzo and is particularly well suited to US driving conditions, where revenue seeking cops patrol remote freeways to part drivers from their money, and cars that can cruise effortlessly and easily under those conditions will do well. And it's a convertible and it's fast and it kicks all of its direct competitors to the curb with one wheel tied behind its back.

 

The funny thing is, everyone who has driven one, seems to love it. I could do without the phony exhaust tips, but hey, that's me.

As for Luca, I agree 100000000%. Under his stewardship, Ferrari's have become better performance cars, technological marvels (in the f1 tradition) and reliable. I happen to like older Ferraris and I wouldn't trade my Mondial for any modern Ferrari, but that is just a matter of taste. I don't think, one can objectively argue that the Ferraris of today, including the California, are not exceptional and unique motorcars.