Mega Thread: The 430 Replacement (F450, F500, etc)

I was going to say repost.....but I won't.

 

Could moderators PLEASE make a "F450 or whatever" topic?

 

Won't that confuse the people who park by ear?
CH

 

Agreed. And although the F1 transmission 'was' a technological marvel I'll gladly welcome a new, faster, seamless transmission void of the idiosyncrasies associated with the F1. Hey, maybe just maybe, we'll have the option to actually utilize reverse gear without concern to clutch wear. Wouldn't that be special in a 200K+ car!!

 

There's not a strict "better" or "higher tech".

DSG has a big advantage that there is no period where acceleration stops. Trust me as a GT-R owner--it is totally seemless.

That's great if the weight, cost, packaging, and durability are comperable to the F1. They may not be.

Or it may be a case that in another 5 years F1 is dead.

I'm just glad I bought probably one of the last dozen manual spiders

 

Shift speed doesn't matter in DSG. In F1 it does because you are not accelerating at all during the shift and the shift has to be done as fast as possible to minimize the time you're just drifting forward unpowered. 50ms is much better than 150ms.

In DSG, even if it takes 250ms between gears (I think my GT-R does), the car keeps getting faster during that period. For instance with the engine at high RPM in 3rd, it starts releasing the clutch on 4th gear at high revs pulling the car faster forward. As the clutch closes that slows the engine while speeding the wheels. And by the time 4th is fully engaged RPM's are picking up again. Whether the delay is 50ms or 250ms, there is no seam.

 

Do F1 teams even have the choice of dual clutch?

The rulebook tells them how to build the entire car; about the only thing the can do is decide the color and look for loopholes in the rules.

I want to see a series like Can-Am: set a maximum fuel consumption for the race (maybe in BTU's to allow choice of fuel) and set a maximum width (to allow passing). Driver safety rules. Everything else should be up in the air. I want to see wankels vs. gas turbines vs. diesels with active aerodynamics, regenerative braking, turn the entire race into an exercise in creativity. I want to be able to recognise the cars from 300 ft away without their paint.

 

Here here! +100

 

Thanks to Autobog:
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/02/13/report-faster-ferrari-f450-foretold-for-frankfurt-in-fall/
Those cagey scribes at Autocar are reporting that Ferrari will unveil the F450 at the Frankfurt Motor Show in October. The F430 successor is expected to once again be powered by a V8 engine and be almost entirely new. If their moles are correct, that would give the volume-leading F430 a lifespan of only five years, a remarkably brief stint for a small automaker.

In any case, the F450 is widely expected to be powered by a 4.5-liter version of the current car's V8, giving in excess of 500 brake horsepower. Despite the massive power, the F450 is also tipped to be the recipient of Ferrari's recent green push, incorporating various weight-saving techniques and more eco-friendly materials first hinted at in their FXX Mille Chile concept (above).

Known internally as the F142, the mid-engined Italian will also benefit from the stonking seven-speed dual-clutch transmission we sampled in the new Ferrari California in October. No word yet on the viability of a manual gearbox companion, but the incredibly quick gearchanges of the California's transmission would lead us to believe that the dual-clutch will be significantly quicker and still enjoyable.

F450 sales for the home continent are expected to begin as early as later this year, but North American customers will likely have to hold their (prancing) horses until sometime in 2010.

 

Why can't they call it the F460 or something else? I'll always think of the Ford F450

 

+1

 

green + Ferrari = prius

When I think of a Ferrari I do not think of saving the world nor good gas milage...I think of aw, beauty, speed, and 10 mpg. I know it does not have a hybrid engine of any type, but saving weight and green materials...sounds to me like a recycled coke bottle with a big motor....

 

Very true. And an interesting look at alternatives.

 

Didn't Ferrari use the cylinder displacement naming convention for the old 4 cylinder cars too?
For example, the 750 Monza (built in the mid-1950's) was a 3 liter engine I believe. And the 500 Mondial was a 2 liter engine.

Was the other style of naming cars started with the Dino brand (206 & 246)?
If the new naming convention was meant for Dino cars, I wonder why the 308/328/348 cars were given the same naming convention since they were Ferraris and not Dinos?

And then, why do the "512" name for the 512 BBi and 512 TR which were 12 cylinder cars? Why not call them the "415 BBi" and "415 TR"?
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F142 makes me think of another 142....
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What does everyone think the odds of an optional manual transmission will be?

 

Two chances: Slim and None.


And Slim just left town.


Just MHO.

 

I hope they still offer one....

And I agree, F450 is to close to F-450 LOL.

 

I didn't like that ferrari was getting greener and hated that formula 1 was pushing for greener cars as well, but now i think that these cars would be more impressive if they could still have the performance and be green at the same time. Imagine if formula 1 cars could maintain their incredible speed by using smaller engines. If automobile companies keep pushing the envelope then there will always be something to druel over.

 

$No Problem$

$$ talks and Ferrari have big ears...

 

I take anything Autoblog says with a grain of salt.

Pardon my ignorance but why would Ferrari do this?

I think Ferrari is focusing on this green stuff mostly because it can probably improve performance (KERS) not just to cut down on C02

 

They seem to have forgotten the 430 is a development of the 360.

 

I doubt F450 is the final name...

 

Possibley true in America, but Europeans will not think of the Ford F450 when they think of and see this car so, as Ferrari is a European based car Manufacturer that will not change.

 

From this weeks Autocar: (apologies if a repost)



Ferrari will unveil its F430 replacement at Frankfurt in October, giving its biggest-selling model a life of just five years.

Code-named Ferrari F142 and expected to be christened Ferrari F450 in production, the new V8-powered car will be largely new, with few carryover components in the chassis or bodywork.

While it was only released in 2004, the Ferrari F430’s chassis was heavily based on the 360 Modena whose parts dated back to 1999.

The new Ferrari F450 will also be the first production Ferrari to reflect the ethos of green materials and weight reduction first seen on the Ferrari Mille Chili eco-concept (pictured) in 2007.

Production of F430s has slowed recently, ahead of the F450’s start-of-production in July. Insiders who have seen the F450 insist it is one of the most beautiful Ferraris in years.

While details on the car are scant, it will run an enlarged version of the F430’s V8, equipped with direct injection giving an output of more than 500bhp from its 4.5-litre capacity, hence the F450 moniker.

The transmission will be a variant of the seven-speed dual-clutch system shared with the new California.

Linked to Ferrari’s steering-wheel mounted ‘manettino’ control, the dual-clutch transmission promises drivers a choice between quick sporty changes and relaxed automatic operation.

Ferrari has been working hard on weight reduction with its suppliers and the F450 is expected to take Alcoa’s advances in aluminium chassis technology to new heights.

Sources also suggest the F450 is already as fast around the Fiorano test track as the compromise-free F430 Scuderia.

But it will also ride more firmly than the Ferrari California, leaving buyers in no doubt about the focus of either car.

European Ferrari F450 sales are expected to begin late this year or early in 2010.

Michael Taylor