F1 drivers only race 300km~(186miles) x18 Nascar drivers race 300-600miles x36 Therefore Tony Stewart has to work 4.3~ times harder to make the same amount as Jenson Button I don't find drafting in circles fun to watch even if they were 20 abreast, I'm sure NASCAR live is different. But what I will give NASCAR credit for is the data they give race fans during the race. At any time you have an idea where your driver is. Not the crappy updates F1 gives us.
Yes. Im sure that you would easily qualify for a superlicense. -- I dont know much about NASCAR, but no one is telling me that a NASCAR driver is as good as an F1 driver. NASCAR is a concentration game, which is difficult when you drive around in circles all the time. Yes its at 190mph but after a while this 190mph feels like a constant 90mph on an empty motorway for us. I find it a great skill to be able to concentrate for so long. I certainly couldnt do it for an entire race.
??? Because both F1 and Nascar tracks are exactly the same...the drivers from F1 and Nascar feel equal amount of G's...the concentration levels of both F1 and Nascar drivers is equal as well with the equal amount of precision shifting and braking points, etc.....yes, I can see how Tony Stewart has to work 4.3 times harder than an F1 driver simply because Tony has to drive in a circle longer. I understand Nascar drivers have a tough physical race but I cant agree that a Nascar driver works harder than an F1 driver simply due to a Nascar driving longer.
Crazy how the world is so different. One side is all soccer and F1, the other is Nascar and Football. Soccer players get paid more than Football players as well, but if you think that they are better athletes then your wrong. They maybe different in the way they execute but both are athletes. Dont let looks fool you many football players look or are fat but they would still run you down without breaking a sweat. Tony Stewart would be one of the better drivers in F1 if he did it. He's competed in MANY different series, open wheel included and has dominated. Its also much harder to "dominate" in Nascar. There are 43 other cars on the track many which you have to pass more than half a dozen times. F1 rarely has to deal with traffic given that there are so few cars on track. Most F1 cars drive themsleves anyways. Unless its wet out, thats when you see the true stars, thats when the money team no longer has a DISTINCT advatage. Quite frankly endurance racing is the only one thats a true test IMO. Races are not won on or dictated by pit stops its done by driving. Its also the only one that ACTUALLY has relevance to the streetcar counterparts.
That's highly debatable. First off it is the has-beens or never-weres of F1 who run endurance racing. So much for the driver skills. The "races" are hardly that, they're a contest in fuel conservation. That's how Audi managed to win Le Mans with their Diesel powered industrial appliance. I remember Phil Hill who didn't want to do endurance racing "because you have to drive at 90% of your and the car's potential to save it across the time". Hardly racing. And as for the relevance to production cars: Ferrari has a tradition of downgrading its F1 parts to its street cars. Prost's F1 engine ended up in the F50 and current Enzos, 599 and F430 enjoy F1's gearbox technology from a couple years ago to name just a few examples. Endurance racing is interesting, but technologywise and driver skill wise F1 is king. NASCAR? Well, let's not even discuss this in a F1 forum.
I notice that you added a sentence to your statement. That is almost funny that you're trying to make a case for endurance racing through driving and not by pitstops. I recommend you take a closer look on how the recent 24 hours of Le Mans were won and lost. It is ALL about pitstops and fuel conservation and very little about racing. The reason Audi dominated in recent history is because their Diesel engine saves fuel over the regular (or as I call them real) engines. Has nothing to do with driver skill.
wait you mean they actually have to brake?? and how come i have never heard about a nascar a race in the wet
I dont get all the Nascar driver bashing. I assure you they have the same level of skill, just different, than an F1 driver or Pro Rally driver has. These cars are constantly on the razors edge of the tire's traction circle except on the straights. Just like F1. Look at where Montoya is. Many thought because he was a top 5 F1 driver he would waltz in and show these "good ole boys" a thing or two. What's he got; one win in how many races ?
No grooved tires and in the turns they are at the limit, too much dampness and they'll all be in the wall.
I disagree. They dont have the same level of skill as an F1 driver. You say that NASCAR boys have to drive on the 'razors edge' of the tire which is probably true, as do F1 drivers. BIIIIG difference is that F1 drivers actually turn left AND right, all corners have different ways of dealing with. Totally different and much more skill required imo. About montoya: Yes, he was probably in the top 5 in F1 when he was driving, and reason he's not doing so well in NASCAR is because he has little too no patience at all. The thing about endurance racing is pure concentration. If you put kimi inside a NASCAR and tell him to win the race I assure you he won't win because he'll get so bored he'll fall asleep and crash.
That's a completely unfair statement. There are only 20 seats in F1, do you only think there are 20 drivers out there capable of filling those seats? Does this include Nakajima and Bourdais? I'm sorry, but there are MANY drivers out there with the talent and skill to do well in F1, but they won't ever get the chance. It takes far more than talent to get to F1, you need SERIOUS financial backing and having some connections, i.e. your father being a former driver or something like that helps as well. To look down drivers who aren't in F1, is totally unfair, arrogant, and displays a misunderstaning of what it takes to get to F1.
Dave it may be a fair comment, thing is I don't really get Nascar, from what little I have seen of it!, so it would be unfair for me to bash it I suppose.
Believe what you want, but the fact is, that F1 drivers who get to too old for F1 find a nice retirement home in endurance racing. Whereas an endurance racer trying his luck in F1 doesn't last long (McNish).
I have watched it on TV (it is hard to avoid in the States) and live at the track. It is fun and it does take skill to go as fast as they do and not end up in a constant crash derby. But to compare their skills with F1 or rally drivers is taking it too far.
All of this talk about "SKILL" where's the skill when it's common knowledge that the F1 heads toy with drivers, teams and penalties to determine who has a shot at the title in the final race? Where's the excitement of F1? Everyone says the word "PARADE" when talking about F1. They also say all the passing happens in the pits. All of that's true. No excitement, no passing, penalties being handed down because drivers win too much too early, if a drivers gets pole by more than 2 tenths of a second he'll win because he'll slowly creep ahead for 25 laps, pit and slowly creep ahead for the next 25 laps until he wins. Who wants to see that at 3:00 AM? When you post things like that, who's going to take you seriously? Do you really think Kimi would fall asleep at the wheel? Would kimi do well in drag racing? Lemans? Doubtful. One man can't do everything and because he's the NO. 1 driver at Ferrari people stand up and say he's the best in the world and could drive anything with wheels. You sound like a child with this idiotic reasoning.
There are so many family dynasty's in NASCAR you have to wonder if it's just opportunity rather than talent. I know there are the McRaes and the Senna's in the other motorsports but it's not as common as NASCAR. I'm sure it's skillful but I'm not sure where on the skill spectrum it lies..not as far over as F1 or Rallying. F1 is just plain physically difficult (although getting easier). Personally I think rallying demonstrates the greatest degree of driver skill of any of the motorsports. But that's just MHO.
You're as unbalanced in your "decision" making as any moderator on this website. You bash Nascar but as soon as I state all of the issues with F1 you ask me to leave? You also banned me for a few days for using a synonym for bum, when I've seen you circumvent the profanity filter. Like a cop I rarely see you give yourself a ticket or even take the criticism for it. No insult intended and I don't dislike you at all but often the timing of you popping up with your moderator hat on is bizarre.
That wasn't the moderator hat. You didn't get a penalty or anything did you? I merely suggested that if you think F1 sucks so bad and you love NASCAR that much, maybe this isn't the forum for you. It is titled "F1" and not "NASCAR" after all for a reason. Look, I don't go on NASCAR chat sites and tell them what I think about their sport. I would expect equal courtesy from the NASCAR fans (same goes btw for all the endurance fans etc).
Perhaps the moderator handbook doesn't have much detail on this but when a moderator posts " it makes one believe that the moderator is about to sign a "time out" slip. Where did I say F1 sucks? Where did I say Nascar is better? I pointed out some benefits for NASCAR to people throwing uppercuts to NASCAR with no basis, people that openly say I don't and have never watched it. It's annoying, people equate "watching" F1 with being rich, important and intelligent which is laughable. The idea of you using the words is also laughable when you show no respect to the sport or the fans when you post things like this And the first word in this topic title is NASCAR, not F1, I post buy topic not the general theme of the subsection. I've been trying to balance the insults with some fact and comparisons and you've spent half of your posts bashing NASCAR so maybe you shouldn't post anymore, you point is nailed home you don't like NASCAR, what else can your insults do for the thread?
Ok, let's try this one more time: As I said below I think NASCAR races are fun and take skills. I don't hate NASCAR, quite the opposite: Below are some pictures from my last vacation, where I visited Daytona (for the second time) and the North Turn Cafe, where it all started. What ticks me off is when people make statements that NASCAR drivers are as skilled as F1 drivers. Racingwise there are worlds between NASCAR and F1. Compared to F1 NASCAR is crap. But that doesn't mean it can't be fun for what it is. Similar comments apply to endurance racing and IRL etc. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
