Mega Thread: The 430 Replacement (F450, F500, etc)

well 0-100 is the only performance thing you can do everyday on every redlight. and it is something so cool to talk.

btw i loved that vale button thing, i only give my car to the vale of the places i trust but i still think my car rather than the food all night.

 

Why ? 430 is almost as fast as CS. Not strange that a new model is faster.

 

When you look at the 360 CS - it was a significant improvement in terms of performance over the standard 360. Increased downforce, better mid-range punch (though only about 25hyp extra), reduced weight, carbon brakes (don't think the 360 had them before then), the central yellow rev conter, race setting as well as traction control off switches on the central tunnel. 0-100 in about 4.1 vs 4.5 for the 360.

Then came the F430 - and it had most of what the CS had - the carbon brakes, the various user customisable settings on the mannettino, but a brand new engine - and it's performance (on the road and probably Fiorano too) was very close, probably a little better, than the 360CS.

The 430 Scuderia repeats the story all over again - revised aero, revised car control settings, slightly more power with a flatter torque curve and shave around 0.5 sec off the standard F430.

So it's not hard to see that the F430 replacment will be around or better than the Scuderia. The difference is that when Ferrari brought out the F430 Lamborghini wasn't nearly as formidable a competitor as it now is - where the F430 is fairly and squarely eclipsed by the LP560-4. And it's better looking too - certainly than the standard F430 which no looks a little tame by comparison.

Clearly the 430 Scuderia and 16M were borne out of the fact that it was becoming harder to sell the F430 in a much more competitive market - and I don't bemoan that, that after all is what business is about.

 

LOL

Won't make a difference, they will find something else idiotic to assure the dealerships and their own overpriced maintenance/repair $$.

 

Yup all about power to weight ratio and drag coef.

.27 drag coef gtr more weight less power=slower car
.30 drag coef cgt more horse power less weight=faster car

GTR is over rated, its only good until the transmission fails, a complete failure IMO Nissan has done away with it forever lesson learned.

 

If you search this forum you'll see that first 430S F1 system has already failed as well.

 

Problem is, it´s japanese, never seen a car from Japan that has decent feel in it so far, lexus included. Lifeless, plastic, boring comes to my mind. Second, GTR looks like ****.
As a daily driver I´m sure GTR is better. For a weekend toy I say feel is more important then 3 tenths of a second to 100 kph. I don´t understand how people still compare GTR to Ferrari, it´s like comparing Lexus to Mercedes, or not even that. Different worlds.

 

When do people ever get to go from a stand still to 120mph? The only viable place you can do thoses speeds are on the motorways/highways and even thats not from a stand still.

Pointless!!

At the end of the day it's all about bragging rights.

 

So basically Torque.

 

Anyone other than me going to Frankfurt this September?

 

cant wait to see it

 

the CS was about 3.9 0-60 and 12.0 QM think was the fastest recorded by CnD, CnD also got the 360 modena to do 4.2 0-60 and a 12.4 QM also..

 

You must not be happy with anything you own.

hahaha

 

Oh, no.... I love this car. But, anything can be improved. Besides, I'm kinda curious what 10K revs on a street V-8 would sound like!

 

Well it must have been good enough for Ferrari to win Formula1 using their technology . Couldn't say the same with Nissan. The Ferrari wears clutch's out fast if you track it the Nissan breaks in street using in spirited driving and calls it operator error, Porsche was right all along about the garbage GTR.

 

those are very questionable numbers, but keep in mind road and track timed a porsche 997S 0-60 in 3.9 seconds!!! So i quess anything is possible with a one time test drive......

 

Cool...a dually F450 with a short-bed and extended-cab option. Wow, Ferrari is going way beyond Porsche's Panamera or AM's Rapide. Wonder if i can get a trailer hitch on it.......
...putting my order in tomorrow.

 

well i am paying way more than 911 turbo
several times more than gtr

so if they need a good traction control to get my car fast then put it on. rest is lame excuses. i want fast 0-100 and i want a mid engined ferrari rest is meaningless

 

While I agree that most people will never do a 0-120 mph acceleration run, the number tells a lot more about the overall acceleration performance of the car than 0-60 mph because it isn't affected by the launch as much. I love the feeling of my car accelerating from about 40 mph to 75 mph. Acceleration statistics like 0-120 mph offer a good comparison between vehicles even if I don't actually do a standing start or reach 120 mph.

 

Being demanding sometimes is a good thing but ..... too demanding might be negative !

 

Thats funny! If it wasn't for the NSX, Ferraris would still be as crude as 328's and F40s. Now they're reliable, cheap(er) to maintain, much more exactingly built and (not big plus for me but) more luxurious.

NSX steering feel was great too, definitely better than my F430. Come to think of it, I probably should have seriously looked into a used targa NSX.

Also, my contention is that the GT-R isn't .3 faster to 100kph, its like 1 second faster, and there the sensation is in a whole other class than the 430.

Finally--for daily driving I think the 430 is better. The GT-R DSG is really annoying (basically as bad as F1); the GT-R is impossible to back into parking, and its simply not enjoyable. It "looks" like it has a big trunk and back seat, but I could barely fit my recently-purchased pre-amp and power-amp combo in it. I sold my GT-R because I realized I'd only ever use it on the track.

 

Being able to stop is way more important than being able to speed away. When that beautiful blond is flagging down your f-car you need to be able to slow down quickly to help her out. Come on guys wake up.

 

IMO zero to whatever is just a convenient metric devised by roadtesters to quantify performance differences between cars.
Back in the day (here I go again) first gear was out on a dog leg, off on its own plane. In many cars it wasn't even synchronized. The idea being that it wasn't used in real world driving except for taking off from a stop.

 

Fpassion, anyone with a love of engineering will have alot of respect for the GTR even if they don't like driving it personally.

Anyone without a love of engineering who has a Ferrari is a poser.

Which are you?

If you have launch control on your Ferrari, try using it a couple dozen times in a row and see if Ferrari calls the resulting problems "operator error."



Porsche is REALLY pathetic... After the GT-R came out I posted everywhere that the magic was just the DSG and when Porsche had 4WD and DSG too, they'd have GT-R-class acceleration too. I'm really embarrassed that they have DSG now (and direct injection) and are still so far far behind. Porsche proved me a liar.

Whats nice about the GT-R is that it basically caused the ZR1, and got the Viper ACR and Zonda to the Nurburgring. Even Porsche's (and Ferrari's) most track-honed street cars can't run with the big boys any more.

 

This car would not be fast without all-wheel drive, take a loot the current GTR quarter mile time dropped by almost 2 seconds.

Ferrari has won Alot of Formula 1 due to their technology which Japan happens to copy (porsche more so) and imitate as they have done with. The Nsx target car was the Porsche 911. A car to last and use daily. The GTRs goal was to be as fast as possible regardless of longevity but failed due to reliablity issues? Do you know why Nissan is not racing it.lol

If Nissans GTR was such an engineering marvel why did they drop it after 1 year of production? Why did so many fail?

Calling Porsche a lier and behind nissan shows your being biased. Forget the Fact that Porsche has won more races than any auto company and has produced more patents through innovation right.lol

You are aware that VW has the DSG which was carried over to porsche right? lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox

Direct-Shift Gearbox (German: DirektSchaltGetriebe), or DSG, is a Volkswagen brand for an electronically controlled clutch, twin-shaft dual-clutch manual gearbox, without a conventional clutch pedal, with full automatic, or semi-manual control. In simple terms, it is two separate manual gearboxes, contained within one housing, and working as one unit. It was designed by BorgWarner and initially licensed to Volkswagen Group (which owns the Volkswagen, Audi, SEAT, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, and Škoda brands), with support by IAV GmbH. By using two clutches, fast shifts can be achieved, and the torque converter of a conventional epicyclic automatic transmission is eliminated.